Do you think giving birth in Belfast will become a thing post Brexit?

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Since 2005 a person born on the island of Ireland (including NI) to Irish or British parents has a right to apply for Irish citizenship/a passport. I read an article in the FT yesterday discussing the obstacles UK business travellers would face in a post Brexit word, which ended with this:

"There’s one group that will do well out of this: UK-based EU passport holders, who will be able to advertise themselves, both to British employers and to EU service buyers, as being able to travel unhindered around the bloc. Best-placed of all will be Irish passport holders, who can not only travel in the EU, but live and work freely in the UK too. Cecil Rhodes, the British mining magnate and colonialist, once described being English as “the greatest prize in the lottery of life”. Post-Brexit, it’s the Irish who hold the winning ticket."

If you really really wanted your child to have access to the EU in the future, would you be willing to move to Belfast for your birth so that your child could then claim an Irish Passport?

This is meant as a light-hearted discussion more than anything else, though if anyone from NI could chime in on how difficult it would actually be to do, please do so! Reason for going to Northern Ireland over the Republic is the access to the NHS and an automatic right to be both Irish and British at birth.

I wouldn't want to give birth over there. I've heard it's quite backwards in terms of letting women have their rights in childbirth

Have you? I've heard the rest of the UK is quite backwards in terms of letting women have their rights in childbirth too, egged on by quite a few MNers, among others. For example having to fight for an elective c-section or fight against an elective c-section if you want a VBAC.

What a stupid comment.

@redsquirrelfan

I think they will. I think a lot of EU countries will make it easy for young people to come and stay for a summer season/study, etc. It’s the good, solid jobs that might be the problem.

@ReallySpicyCurry@Really

Fifteen years ago, external events and opinions mostly came first and dictated Internet content, now the inner world is influencing the outer.

How true. And the inner world lacks objectivity and critical thinking -it’s emotion.

@BlackBucketOfCheese

Having Irish parents or grandparents is not abusing citizenship

I didn’t say it was. But travelling to Ireland from England, a country that has long oppressed Ireland, in order to take advantage of it is abuse.

It is the height of taking the piss and entitled as fuck.

But travelling to Ireland from England, a country that has long oppressed Ireland, in order to take advantage of it is abuse

Interesting use of tenses there.

London parents can find an Irish or other EU passport down the back of the sofa, well good luck to them

Of course and fair play and same goes to anyone who lives in Ireland no matter where they’re from. But to just travel there to use the resources and claim something from a country so abused by your privilege, then that’s unfair and frankly a steak of arrogance that runs through many English like a stick of rock.

People move all over the world from where they are born. I have no birth right to live in Australia but I did, it involved complicated visas and work permits etc. but I still did it and so did my children. Brits can still holiday in Spain, move to Italy and get drunk in Poland it’s a bit harder and it sucks - other elements of Brexit are far worse.

The Brexit situation is terrible and I feel for those who are upset and heartbroken to lose their EU rights, truly I feel for you.
But surely people must see (and yes I get that remain voters aren’t to blame but we must go with the outcome) that NI, border communities in Ireland, the GFA are a delicate balance that Brexit could so easily disrupt. So then to come from Britain to then inflict more Brexit-based nonsense from a country that has already caused mountains up mountains of death, heartache and instability, well that’s just a kick in the balls.

There seems to be little to no understanding - on the part of British people for the most part - of the rights that stand, between the U.K., GB and Ireland without and before the EU. That says there is very little interest in Ireland be it the Republic, NI or the island a whole beyond what British people stand to gain. Have a think about why you want to spend time gaining from others, rather than learning about the privilege you come from.

Interesting use of tenses there

Sorry! I’m not keeping up with what I mean very well.

Also excuse my typos, my child stood on my glasses this morning so they are worse than usual!

@redsquirrelfan I think it's shit for London kid too. I really do. I think the whole thing is a crying bloody shame. But surely you can see how the right to live and work in an EU country, which London kid may have no interest in doing, is a little different from Derry kid growing up in a fucking war zone where they can't live in their own house, because some fucker has put the windows in yet again? Or getting wanged by a rubber bullet as they stand on a street corner?

London kid's safety is not at risk if he or she cannot work in Germany. By stripping Derry kid of their passport, in the name of equality, theirs is.

Derry kid may already have lost family and friends to the Troubles, never mind bloody employment opportunities. Derry kid's parents, and on a wider scale, community, are likely working through decades of trauma, as are many communities in N.I.

Honestly, although I really do have sympathy - I voted Remain- you need to drop the bitterness on this one

Thousands of NI people have lost friends and relatives as a direct result of the Troubles, and due to the shockingly high rate of suicides that have followed after, thanks to what amounts to a national case of PTSD.

I guarantee you that every one of those people would swap their ability to work in fucking Malaga if they could have their loved ones back.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

@BlackBucketOfCheese WELL SAID.

frankly a steak of arrogance that runs through many English like a stick of rock.

YUP.

We were treated like a boil in the ass that wouldnt go away, we have earned the right to say fuck off!..@blackbucket of cheese well said..

@BlackLambAndGreyFalcoln

It really doesn't seem right that a British child born to British parents in (London)Derry has more rights than a British child born to British parents in London when both cities belong to the same unitary state.

Christ. The mine boggles. It's rare my jaw literally drops reading MN, I've seen it all before. But wow, well done.

No one who had the slightest clue about the history of NI, and Derry in particular, would say this.

Interesting use of tenses there.
Not familiar with Hiberno English then?

@BlackLambAndGreyFalcoln as a Derry child, I would point out that the majority of people in Derry would argue that Derry does not "belong" to the same unitary power as London. That is the crux of the matter.
As a Derry child who lived through numerous atrocities including an acquaintance being blown into pieces after being kidnapped and forced to drive a bomb through an army checkpoint, don't you think my dual citizenship is a small price to pay for the fact that people aren't being maimed or dying daily? My dual citizenship isn't the cause of your lack of EU citizenship. You have the English and Welsh to thank for that. Direct you ire at them.

@ReallySpicyCurry @BadEyeBri AYE, BUT WHERE DO YE KEEP YER TOASTER?!

[quote ReallySpicyCurry]@redsquirrelfan I think it's shit for London kid too. I really do. I think the whole thing is a crying bloody shame. But surely you can see how the right to live and work in an EU country, which London kid may have no interest in doing, is a little different from Derry kid growing up in a fucking war zone where they can't live in their own house, because some fucker has put the windows in yet again? Or getting wanged by a rubber bullet as they stand on a street corner?

London kid's safety is not at risk if he or she cannot work in Germany. By stripping Derry kid of their passport, in the name of equality, theirs is.

Derry kid may already have lost family and friends to the Troubles, never mind bloody employment opportunities. Derry kid's parents, and on a wider scale, community, are likely working through decades of trauma, as are many communities in N.I.

Honestly, although I really do have sympathy - I voted Remain- you need to drop the bitterness on this one

Thousands of NI people have lost friends and relatives as a direct result of the Troubles, and due to the shockingly high rate of suicides that have followed after, thanks to what amounts to a national case of PTSD.

I guarantee you that every one of those people would swap their ability to work in fucking Malaga if they could have their loved ones back.

You should be ashamed of yourself.[/quote]
Fucking THIS 👏👏👏

@FedUpWithBriiiiick what is this toaster thing? I am intrigued

[quote FedUpWithBriiiiick]**@ReallySpicyCurry* @BadEyeBri* AYE, BUT WHERE DO YE KEEP YER TOASTER?![/quote]

@BadEyeBri If you keep your toaster in the cupboard, your a prod. True facts.

Oh Jesus. So the toaster is currently out on the side. But a new kitchen is planned and the toaster will be going in a cupboard. What am I?????

If you make traybakes, you’re a Prod. Scones are a Catholic thing.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/3527870-Which-is-the-tastiest-Protestant-traybake

[quote Piglet89]If you make traybakes, you’re a Prod. Scones are a Catholic thing.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/3527870-Which-is-the-tastiest-Protestant-traybake[/quote]
Loved this thread. Also the bread sauce one 😆❤️

@BadEyeBri Are you an Protestant Atheist or a Catholic Atheist??

@BadEyeBri did it make it into classics?

I made my first Taig traybake off the back of it. True facts.

Mmm traybakes. So Presbyterian.

The last time I read a traybake thread, I gained two stone.