Do you think giving birth in Belfast will become a thing post Brexit?

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Since 2005 a person born on the island of Ireland (including NI) to Irish or British parents has a right to apply for Irish citizenship/a passport. I read an article in the FT yesterday discussing the obstacles UK business travellers would face in a post Brexit word, which ended with this:

"There’s one group that will do well out of this: UK-based EU passport holders, who will be able to advertise themselves, both to British employers and to EU service buyers, as being able to travel unhindered around the bloc. Best-placed of all will be Irish passport holders, who can not only travel in the EU, but live and work freely in the UK too. Cecil Rhodes, the British mining magnate and colonialist, once described being English as “the greatest prize in the lottery of life”. Post-Brexit, it’s the Irish who hold the winning ticket."

If you really really wanted your child to have access to the EU in the future, would you be willing to move to Belfast for your birth so that your child could then claim an Irish Passport?

This is meant as a light-hearted discussion more than anything else, though if anyone from NI could chime in on how difficult it would actually be to do, please do so! Reason for going to Northern Ireland over the Republic is the access to the NHS and an automatic right to be both Irish and British at birth.

we don't want ye here, the absolute ignorance of using us once more - trying to exploit the irish. That loophole should be shut down.It is like having rabies. However people here always know and even if a true brit pulls it off and gets the passport, every Irish person is laughing at your attempts to integrate.

@titan89
Who knew there was a xenophobic Little Irelander mentality?

My husband has successfully naturalised through marriage and residency. There wasn't anyone laughing at anyone at the citizenship ceremony. It was brilliant and inclusive and welcoming.
I think the issue of birth tourism is very separate from citizenship

Also at "true Brit". You do know Ireland is a constituent part of the British Isles?

@titan89 is definitely the type of Irish person who asks me "where I'm really from" because I'm mixed race 😆

Also grin at "true Brit". You do know Ireland is a constituent part of the British Isles?

I hope that's a joke?

@OwMyNeck

Also grin at "true Brit". You do know Ireland is a constituent part of the British Isles?

I hope that's a joke?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles British Isles is a geographical/cartographic term used by Ordnance Survey in UK and has no legal influence/official status, its just a geographic description of all the islands off Europe. Ordnance Survey Ireland doesn't use the term and says British Isles and Ireland. It's just words to describe a group of islands, it's not the same as saying Ireland is part of Britain, or Irish people are British.

Do you really think they will laughing at us when we get our Irish citizenship? Well, that won't deter us. I will be proud to become Irish...I know very well I will never "sound" Irish, but in fact, although I am thoroughly British I don't sound British either, having grown up in South Africa and having a residual Johannesburg accent...

British Isles is a geographical/cartographic term used by Ordnance Survey in UK and has no legal influence/official status, its just a geographic description of all the islands off Europe. Ordnance Survey Ireland doesn't use the term and says British Isles and Ireland. It's just words to describe a group of islands, it's not the same as saying Ireland is part of Britain, or Irish people are British

It's a term used in the UK. It is NOT a term used in Ireland, its colonialist, old fashioned and frowned upon. The British government does not use it when speaking about Ireland (or they're not meant to, at least).

Ireland is NOT part of the British Isles.

and no, it's not "just words". It's exactly the kind of crap that makes the Irish pissed off at the British. They don't get to tell us we are part of "their" isles. We are not. They don't get to name our Island as constituent part of their islands.

every Irish person is laughing at your attempts to integrate
Seeing the Irish citizenship ceremony on the news is one of the highlights of the year and it makes me proud to see all those people being so happy that they're now Irish citizens. It's a shame that it's been affected by Covid.

every Irish person is laughing at your attempts to integrate

No they aren't, speak for your nasty self. The rest of us are happy when people integrate.

No, it's really difficult to register with a gp in Northern Ireland anyway...it's not the same system as English nhs. I really struggled to get a gp when I moved home to ni pregnant. Meant I couldn't get prescriptions etc! I was being seen at the hospital for the pregnancy but still. I wouldn't advise it! You want seamless care in pregnancy at the end of the day. And what about postnatal care?

every Irish person is laughing at your attempts to integrate

We aren’t. Because we are fully aware of our own history and our ancestors experiences of being accepted, or not, while they integrated into new societies.

this is the more arrogant and entitled ideology i have EVER came across, for people in mainland GB to abuse maternity services in NI & ROI in order to get their child a badge of covieniance, is insulting and offensive to everyone on both sides of the border.

If people from mainland GB do engage in this type of behaviour and there is evidence of birth tourism going on, then the irish goverment will ultimaty have to end up restricting birthright citizenship to those of british parents.

Unfortunatly many on the remain side are now becoming as shockingly ignorant, entitled and arrogant as some the most ardent brexiteers !

@uthredswife

It's so shockingly tone deaf. The duel citizenship agreement is coated in blood. It was one of the many compromises made under good Friday. The suggestion of manipulating that so your kids can work summers in Malaga in 18 years shows such a deep ignorance

you speak my laungage, any person from mainland GB travelling to NI and ROI to take advantage of irish citizenship are TRAMPS, case well and truely closed !

In my opinion there is really no reason why British Citizen parents (except for those parents born in Northern Ireland) should have birthright citizenship for their irish born kids. There is nothing else in any other respect to irish nationality law that gives preference to british nationals over someone else, eg via naturalisation which a 5 year rule is applied equally to all nationalities including to british citizens. The common travel area also does not give British and Irish additional rights to claiming citizenship in each others countires over others.

Ireland ended birthright citizenship in 2005, an EU national from another member state would have to live in Ireland for 3 years prior to the childs birth in order for their child born in Ireland to be allowed Irish Citizenship. Non EU nationals must also be legally in Ireland for 3 years prior to that and time spent illegally does not count. Children of British parents born in ireland should come under the same catagory as EU nationals in that regard.

I hope any English, Scottish or Welsh person to delibritely travel to ROI or NI in order to give birth, tell their child growing up that they are nothing more than a plastic paddy birth of convieniance !

So basically you want to deprave children in NI born of Northern Irish families of EU jobs and opportunities so your english anchor baby 18 years from now can get in the queue before them.

Dosent matter if Northern Ireland is part of the UK, fact is you dont live here or have any intention of doing so, then use your own fucking maternity services and leave our chronically underfunded and understaffed one alone !

Okay, I've not read everything on this page, but started something similar yesterday, and found out their had been a previous page on the same issue.
Anyway, I basically did this. I live in London, have no connection to Ireland, North or South, and travelled to Belfast shortly before birth, staying in cheapo hotels and giving birth in the NHS in Belfast.
Pretty sure my little one therefore has Irish citizenship, which will therefore entitled them to EU and UK access for life.
I would certainly do it again for my next (providing will see if it works for my dd, but I think it will).
And I'd totally recommend people do this - I mean you are basically giving your child an EU passport.

So basically you travelled to Belfast during a pandemic, not as if its absurd enough doing it not during a pandemic, but the fact you could even contemplate putting people here and better still sick people in our hospitals lives at risk so your child can cop the all important irish passport is unforgiveable.

SHAME ON YOU, no other words !

Anyway, I basically did this. I live in London, have no connection to Ireland, North or South, and travelled to Belfast shortly before birth, staying in cheapo hotels and giving birth in the NHS in Belfast. Yes not sure if you wasted your time tbh. I know in the republic of Ireland you have to reach a habitual resident condition. Did you register the baby under a fake address? What about aftercare midwife visits etc?

@EmeraldShamrock

Anyway, I basically did this. I live in London, have no connection to Ireland, North or South, and travelled to Belfast shortly before birth, staying in cheapo hotels and giving birth in the NHS in Belfast. Yes not sure if you wasted your time tbh. I know in the republic of Ireland you have to reach a habitual resident condition. Did you register the baby under a fake address? What about aftercare midwife visits etc?

they are using a loophole under irish nationality law where any child born to a British or Irish citizen parent automatically is deemed as an irish subject.

That loophole is easily changeable in regard to irish nationality law, if it was worded as follows "children born in Ireland or Northern Ireland after 2005 who parents are a) an Irish Citizen or b) a british citizen with a connection to Northern Ireland either by virtue of their birth in Northern Ireland or 3 years habitual residency in Northern Ireland.

In regards to the good Friday agreement, changing it slightly to what I just mentioned would not impact that, as the GFA dosent apply to British Citizens connected to mainland GB.

The good Friday agreement had to be amended in 2005 to accommodate the 27th constitunal amendment in realation to jus soli citizenship.

In regards to British Citizens at that time however it was almost certainly not assumed that British Citizens in mainland GB would deliberately choose to deliver on the island of Ireland, that current system will however have to change eventually, as other EU member states would likely complain that Ireland is allowing birth transmission of treaty rights to children born to third country national parents who themselves are not beneficiaries of the GFA.

@LewishamMum

Okay, I've not read everything on this page, but started something similar yesterday, and found out their had been a previous page on the same issue. Anyway, I basically did this. I live in London, have no connection to Ireland, North or South, and travelled to Belfast shortly before birth, staying in cheapo hotels and giving birth in the NHS in Belfast. Pretty sure my little one therefore has Irish citizenship, which will therefore entitled them to EU and UK access for life. I would certainly do it again for my next (providing will see if it works for my dd, but I think it will). And I'd totally recommend people do this - I mean you are basically giving your child an EU passport.

Fuck me, you're back again with this? Did you not get the message on the very long and stupid thread you created on this before?