Do you think giving birth in Belfast will become a thing post Brexit?

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Since 2005 a person born on the island of Ireland (including NI) to Irish or British parents has a right to apply for Irish citizenship/a passport. I read an article in the FT yesterday discussing the obstacles UK business travellers would face in a post Brexit word, which ended with this:

"There’s one group that will do well out of this: UK-based EU passport holders, who will be able to advertise themselves, both to British employers and to EU service buyers, as being able to travel unhindered around the bloc. Best-placed of all will be Irish passport holders, who can not only travel in the EU, but live and work freely in the UK too. Cecil Rhodes, the British mining magnate and colonialist, once described being English as “the greatest prize in the lottery of life”. Post-Brexit, it’s the Irish who hold the winning ticket."

If you really really wanted your child to have access to the EU in the future, would you be willing to move to Belfast for your birth so that your child could then claim an Irish Passport?

This is meant as a light-hearted discussion more than anything else, though if anyone from NI could chime in on how difficult it would actually be to do, please do so! Reason for going to Northern Ireland over the Republic is the access to the NHS and an automatic right to be both Irish and British at birth.

It’s just this one time it’s happening to the important people that its a cause for concern.

There’s nothing like having your rights taken from you without your consent to make you realise how important you are.

Bold fail

@BlackLambAndGreyFalcoln

Ok I'll bite for real. If Derry kid is denied its Irish passport, just in the interest of fairness, chances are it is going to grow up in the sort of war zone that will be at once new, yet tediously familiar.

If London kid is denied an Irish passport, and thus access to the EU, then London kid's parents have more paperwork to work through before their annual holiday.

Hth.

Ah feck my reply disappeared. Flitting between white hot rage and physical pain from laughter here. (BadEyeBri 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣).

2 little contributions. Aldi is selling balaclavas from the 24th so we can stock up then🤭

Also for those looking to scab a passport, here's the info link

arethebritsatitagain.com/

@BadEyeBri I was channelling Nolan. Could you not tell? NOLAN fgs

I'm actually not a BT9er at all. I'm that rare breed, the N. I chameleon with a complicated background and family history, meaning nobody can get the proper read on me

We earned our double passports with our blood. Give the average sharp-elbowed MC English Mumsnetter two months of checking under their car for bombs, going to friends’ funerals, being beaten up by English police for having the wrong accent whilst listening to Paddy jokes on the BBC and they’d be crying their eyes out. We EARNED them. There’s a tree at my old school to commemorate a 7yr old boy blown up the the IRA. If you think we are lucky, you are sickeningly ignorant.

@ReallySpicyCurry

I think the same can be said for the rise of anti Semitic. A study I read of recently said 30% of ant semiotics comments online were from bots. That still means 70% are ‘real’ but it is still a significant number with the potential to magnify and thus determine opinion. It would be valuable to look at the sources of the other comments and who/what is behind them.

I don’t believe that these things work in a vacuum - rather that one person’s rights are viewed as coming at the expense of another’s freedom/liberties/resources? whereas the world, I don’t think functions that way.

Not currently feeling confident as to how the world works actually but I do think we are all being pushed to fight each other rather than bigger factors.

Anti Semitism not semiotics!

@ReallySpicyCurry so he is gay isn't he?
If you are the NI Chameleon then I'm a NI Political Unicorn. Pleased to meet you. Apparently I don't exist. But this last bout of chicanery is making me want to cut my horn off.
Just for the record what school did you go to? What's your mammy's maiden name? And how do you say H?
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In all honesty I love NI. There is nowhere like it and the people are brilliant. Belligerent as fuck but brilliant.

@BadEyeBri political unicorn?

Oh my God. You're her, aren't you? The Catholic DUP girl. I'd the heard rumours of course...

@LadyfromtheBelleEpoque yes I think so too. The Internet has always been a cess pit in places, with people able to spout the opinions they would otherwise hide, but I do think these opinions have been bloated by the input of bots, until they seep out into "real life". Fifteen years ago, external events and opinions mostly came first and dictated Internet content, now the inner world is influencing the outer.

The recent resurgence of antisemitism has been particularly scary for me. In my naivety, I thought everyone had a fair idea of the extremely dark places that it leads. But recently I've heard mutterings from certain groups/people that have shocked me. Especially with all the Qanon stuff, which runs in a straight line back to you guessed it. Tale as old as time, but it's disturbing when you see the person who sat in the exact same A Level history class as you, spouting off about how Hitler was only after the "bad Jews". Ugh.

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I thought you'd be more welcoming.
I take it this is a joke"

Yes, a bad one. Sorry!

Oh my God. You're her, aren't you? The Catholic DUP girl. I'd the heard rumours of course...

Jesus I've been outed. Delete. Delete. Delete.

I've been saying this for ages - there's money to be made by people offering medium term holiday lets equipped for newborns near Larne (where there's a ferry port) and coordinating lists of information eg. lactation consultants, hire services for breast pumps, birth pools, physiotherapists, doulas etc.

You can travel by boat much later in pregnancy than you can fly.

ID isn't needed to travel between GB and Ireland/Northern Ireland but some ferry companies / airlines ask for it, so need to allow for a long enough stay in NI to obtain a passport for the baby [and definitely need to allow for a long enough stay to register the birth]

Brilliant idea.

Just one tiny snag.

You'd have to stay in Larne

Ffs @independentfriend..dont encourage them

Stop dissing Larne

You're right, that's unfair of me. Larne isn't the worst. It has one big thing going for it

..... It isn't Strabane

I am not familiar with Strabane. I thought you were going to say stranraer!

@BlackBucketOfCheese

I hope not. As if British people haven’t fucked over the island of Ireland enough without abusing resources and claiming citizenship in order to get a handier passport and job opportunities.

Having Irish parents or grandparents is not abusing citizenship.

And NI is part of the UK, so actually, whether you like it or not, people are entitled to use the facilities there. I guess if you visit the horror that is GB full of imperialistic idiots who are all personally responsible for the potato famine and plantations despite not even being born at the time, then you would use the facilities here too.

I don't qualify for Irish citizenship, my mother and uncle do - if I did you can bet your bottom dollar (euro) (punt) that I would claim it to keep my EU rights given they were taken away from me against my will.

I can imagine if someone was born on the island of Ireland and has someone such as a parent or aunt/uncle there, visiting for the final stretch of maternity leave so as to give birth.

I would not blame them one bit for doing so.

If London kid is denied an Irish passport, and thus access to the EU, then London kid's parents have more paperwork to work through before their annual holiday

London kid has no right to live or work in the EU. That is actually quite a big thing when you didn't vote for it. Me and mine have had our EU citizenship stolen from us. I never voted Tory and I didn't vote for Brexit. If London parents can find an Irish or other EU passport down the back of the sofa, well good luck to them (although it starts a particularly nasty two tier system where some young people can go and work in an EU country and others can't). I hope that in time the more enlightened EU states will allow young Brits to work there regardless, they didn't get a chance to vote for their loss of rights.

casually saunters by to ask how one might become a lactation consultant?
Flicks across to PropertyPal, draws search around Larne

@ChikiTIKI

I wouldn't want to give birth over there. I've heard it's quite backwards in terms of letting women have their rights in childbirth.

Fierce backwards. You've no idea. No running water, or other sanitation. We don't have midwives here, just the local wise woman who really isn't up on her handwashing. A filthy sack for an apron that does both the babbies and the calving.

Yes, best stay where you are, wherever that is and never set foot in NI or the ROI.

Having Irish parents or grandparents is not abusing citizenship

I didn’t say it was. But travelling to Ireland from England, a country that has long oppressed Ireland, in order to take advantage of it is abuse.

It is the height of taking the piss and entitled as fuck.