To have zero sympathy for the fishing industry?

[AgeLikeWine]

The U.K. fishing industry voted overwhelmingly for Brexit ; 92% voted Leave according to a poll from June 2016 (source : The Guardian).

Now they are bleating about the massive logistical and administrative problems and delays that they are encountering in trying to export their catch into EU markets. Today, fish transportation companies have been driving their lorries around central London to protest about the situation.

But this is what they voted for : to ‘take back control of our waters’. They voted Leave in the full knowledge that most of the U.K. catch was exported to Europe, and that that would obviously be more difficult after Brexit, so they should suck it up & stop whinging.

@tobee thats a very generalised statement and for the vast majority I don't think that applies anymore.
Our supermarkets are full of food from all over the world.
Most people I know like a variety of food now

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@namechangeforte like already said we were talking about the pm who was pm when we had the vote. [/quote]
The Leave campaign had the effective slogan of Take Back Control and years of anti EU sentiment in the media and lies and misinformation.

Cameron as PM had little effect. The ERG and the Leave campaign ensured victory.

A soundbite is easy.

The reality is here. It will be so many little things that make trade with our nearest neighbour that more difficult.

We have taken back control. This is the effect.

Do you have any calculations or data to show how much of this fish do the British public need to consume to balance the loss of the EU market? I am most certainly not going to have to live through the tantrums of my family if they were to fed fish thrice a week.

Obviously, it would be a hell of a lot of fish. But I’m sure Brexiters will step up to the mark and get the fish kettle out to make Independence a success. Supporting national industry is what all postcolonial peoples have done, after all.

People blaming tories , the pm was not for brexit.
Eh? He was on the vote leave campaign committee and was their most prominent spokesperson. He was all over the news for months.

Yes and he won a landslide election in 2019 under the campaign slogan ‘Get Brexit Done’!

I know anyone with half a brain realises he wasn’t actually in favour of Brexit, but if anything that’s even worse - he didn’t believe in it and still campaigned heavily for it!

Screw them, I hope they go bust. They voted for it and I don’t agree ethically with fishing as an industry at all.

@Scottishskifun

Would love to know what fisherman are supposed to retrain as?

These are rural communities with not much around. The oil and gas downturn has made 10,000 redundancies in the last 12 months, renewable industry is largely based out of Edinburgh over 3 hours drive away from Peterhead or Fraserburgh. As for fishing industries on the remote West Coast or Shetland Isles...... What do you suppose a shetlander fisherman retrain as?
Ever been to Shetland......there is 1 tesco Lerwick has a few banks a few shops and a couple of hotels.

These aren't city communities and are minimum hours drives away, there isn't some remote scottish call centre available......

It's far better to try to resolve the situation and save the jobs then have more unemployment!

What would be great is if the UK actually ate what was caught off the UK coast instead of only eating battered or breaded cod which is barely indigenous.

@Scottishskifun

Fish mongers and restaurants already have to change the name of fish in order for brits to accept it and that's the fish they will eat....... I can't see them eating half of what is caught!

Know what a rock salmon or rock turbot is..... Made up is the answer dog fish and wolf fish because brits are so fussy they won't order it if called dog or wolf fish!

I doubt brits go for rock salmon and rock turbot much either.

I'll never forget going to a lovely fish restaurant near Hastings a few years ago. A white, middle class, middle aged man made a huge loud and embarrassing fuss when his fish of the day turned up; he shouted at the waiter when his main course turned up that when he ordered fish he expected it to have breadcrumbs or batter on it!!!

@namechangeforte you won't have to feed them that much.
The eu still want fish , early days and both sides are getting used to things being a little different.
Judge how things are in a couple months.,no doubt some eu firms will have teething problems sending goods in to the uk as well at first.
But we buy a lot so they are not just going to stop.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@Scottishskifun I thought it wasn't allowed to be called rock salmon anymore though[/quote]
I think that was rock cod being sold (pollock instead of cod) rock salmon is definitely still used and there are many many more examples! River cobbler - cat fish.

Reality is the fish is fantastic but most brits tend to stick to the top 5 and that's it. Tuna, salmon, cod, haddock and prawns! Some now eat mackerel.

The brits are

I didn't know about the quotas being sold in to he 90s.

Just had a read.

This is a failing of our press. All this rhetoric and taking back our waters and dastardly foreigners taking our fish... It would have been useful surely for these things to be given context? I get left right press etc but what about the BBC? They should have been front paging the facts and history. Especially given the fact that one side was lying a lot and the other side was fucking hopeless.

In the absence of robust info from either side of the political Brexit communication. Isn't this week what the BBC should have been doing?

(Someone will tell me now they did and I missed it!).

@tobee we have some lovely fish restaurants at the coast not to far from us and they are always packed and they do quite a variety.
People just need to try , I will admit I am not a big fish eater but I have tried and I do like some.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@tobee thats a very generalised statement and for the vast majority I don't think that applies anymore.
Our supermarkets are full of food from all over the world.
Most people I know like a variety of food now [/quote]

They really aren't that full of a variety of fish! I live in a London suburb with a large choice of supermarkets and there isn't a huge choice. Supermarkets often display a whole octopus or whatever knowing that customers won't buy it. They display it because they know customers will be flattered and kid themselves that they may have bought the whole octopus but opted to buy the steak at the last minute. They like the idea that they go somewhere that sells octopus.

To grow up in a fishing family, watching the hardships involved, knowing that you are not allowed to catch the very fish who swim past your front door because of the deals done and lies told by politicians in the past....that is why the very small chance that Brexit could have changed all that was worth taking. Personally I wouldn't vote Leave for that small possibility but the unfairness of what was done in the past to fishing can make even sane non-tory voters vote Leave. Shouldn't the government have everything in place so that live seafood can leave the country with out delays, I'm sure no fisherman was ever told his catch wouldn't get to a market on time, they voted for the right to fish the water their livelihoods depend on. I do have sympathy, their reasons for voting leave made more sense to their industry than to (any?) other industry or reason for leaving. I have no sympathy for the big fishing companies who don't give a shit but a lot of sympathy for the individual fishermen trying to make a living, fishermen who are interested in keeping the population of fish/shellfish stable so that they can still fish in 10 years time, not supercrabbers and the like who go wherever they want and take, take, take.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

People blaming tories , the pm was not for brexit. Half the tories if mot more were remain. Also anyone know which goverment were in power when we sold a lot of the fishing Rights ?

I take it you are aware of the history of the Tory party over the last 30 - 40 years?

Major's trouble with his Eurosceptics.
All the issues over Europe?
The rise of UKIP and the threat to the Tory party?
The fact that Cameron had the referendum in the manifesto in the first place?

This was down to the Tories.

We should all eat more fish in this country. If we did it would give our fishing industry a boost. We’re an island nation yet most people will only eat battered cod, or salmon at a push.

Much of the fish that’s caught is never available from my local supermarket. I’d love to choose fish from the type of huge fish counters you get in Spain.

@Scottishskifun mackeral is quite popular in coastal town by me often even sold simply in a bap.
My dh loves mussels and often cooks for friends who like them bit just never knew how to cook
Some of the fish that used to be labelled as rock salmon are apparently endangered species and not allowed to be caught anyway

@Bilgepumper

We should all eat more fish in this country. If we did it would give our fishing industry a boost. We’re an island nation yet most people will only eat battered cod, or salmon at a push.

Much of the fish that’s caught is never available from my local supermarket. I’d love to choose fish from the type of huge fish counters you get in Spain.

It's market forces though isn't it? The Tories like market forces don't they?

Also, sadly, I don't feel much like giving our fishing industry a boost at the moment.

Well those small fishermen need to adapt or die.
Sell direct to fancy restaurants in cities. Sell direct to locals and local restaurants
Don’t just shove your fish on the market alongside the massive trawlers.

There’s lots of money to be made, one just needs to be innovative or own millions in quotas. You can’t make money just chugging along and hoping for the best

@1Morewineplease I would love it if they did! We definitely get a wide range in the fish mongers up here as not too far away from the fish market and we order crab, langoustines, squat lobsters and occasionally lobster for special occasions direct with the boats local to us in the season.
It's haddock in Scotland the cod is sent South!

@tobee our local morrissons is very good for fish asda and tesco not so much. We also have a weekly fish van in a neighbouring town and in normal times 30 min drive to coast and can buy or catch it fresh. So I am quite lucky as can get a good choice.
A net if mussels in morrisons is actually pretty reasonable

A net if mussels in morrisons is actually pretty reasonable

Love my Morrison's mussels.

@tobee the trouble is we don't know exactly why they voted as they did, they live it every day.
We read the bits in the paper the media want us to, without having a full understanding if the fishing industry.
Personally I am against big super trawllers as they catch loads nut often Kill lots of other wildlife
Near where I am we have some dolphins and seals and I hate seeing what we do to the ocean

Same situation watching Scottish nationalist talk about oil and tourism...........most touristy come to the UK to see Buckingham palace, and then 'do' Scotland and the oil will never be 'owned' by the Scottish govt. and I say all that as a proud Scot.

Pity so few people know what they are talking about before they go spouting off! The market for shell fish which has to be transported live is on the continent. The small inshore boats in the likes of Scotland have had to be laid off as there is no guarantee of their catch getting to market saleable condition. One Fish haulage company said they had 400 pages of documents to complete for one truck load. Shell fish are caught in small quantities by small boats so each catch of every species they catch need a different set of paper work. Nobody voted for that. The fishing industry voted to get an increase in the allowable catches of deep water fish nothing to do with the shell fish trade. It was the shell fish hauliers that were protesting today.