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Aibu to wonder when will I become an illegal immigrant?

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 15/01/2021 09:29

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55672194

EU citizens now have their status online with no physical proof given... It looks like accidental deletion isn't that hard to do.

Aibu to wonder when will I turn from Schrodingersimmigrant to IDontKnowHowButIAmIllegalImmigrantNow ?

Any fellow stealers of all jobs while also takers of all benefits here and having thoughts about this?

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Daphnise · 15/01/2021 21:10

Can't quite understand what the fuss is about.

TableFlowerss · 15/01/2021 21:16

@ListeningQuietly

Table So it would be right to assume that they would seek a better life, but say 100 million relocating to Europe for example would take its toll.... More scare mongering

Lebanese people would MUCH rather make a good living in Lebanon
Syrians in Syria
Nigerians in Nigeria

purporting that the whole population of a country would move is Faragaist hysteria

The point is that countries like the UK and Germany and the USA
desperately need
young able bodied people to do their manual work
and making them legal taxpayers
rather than smuggled radar avoiding disease spreaders
will make countries stronger

at both ends of the journey

I never suggested they wouldn’t prefer to stay in the home country Hmm but if they can’t feed their families it’s ignorant to suggest they would stay put- why would they it seek out better opportunities?!!! I would.

Give over with the Faragist rubbish!!! It’s at that point I can longer be bothered to debate sensibly with you, as clearly you’re trying to play a moot card- therefore my respect for your opinions has ceased.

You live in cloud cuckoo land if you think the every country in the world will open up its borders.... because you think it will work 🙄

QuentinInQuarantino · 15/01/2021 21:17

@Darklingthrush

It's not fair to EU nationals to just say, well that's how immigration works. It's not how things worked when they moved here and lived here all these years.

And the other way round too for Brits in the EU. I probably wouldn't have moved to a non-EU country as, with all the problems that involves, it wouldn't have been worth my while. However, thanks to Brexit that is the situation I am now in. The fact that we didn't even get to vote is just the icing on the cake.

It isn't though. I'm a Brit in the EU and picked up my perm any residency card last month for €20 anda few photocopies.

There's no way I'd have been paying for private insurance here when I pay a shed los of taxes for national health service.

The UK is treating its eu residents appallingly, and people are just shrugging it off because they're immigrants which is has become a dirty word. I'm so ashamed.

Darklingthrush · 16/01/2021 07:38

The UK is treating its eu residents appallingly, and people are just shrugging it off because they're immigrants which is has become a dirty word. I'm so ashamed

Oh I agree. I was referring to the quote above about people saying "that's just how immigration works" when the goalposts have changed! I think the British government has treated everyone badly but especially EU citizens. It is shameful.

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 16/01/2021 10:00

@Daphnise

Can't quite understand what the fuss is about.
It's a new (ish) system for people from EU when outlr immigration status is basically only online, with no actual proof (except a letter which says it's not a proof). So considering that Home Office had over 4000 incidents of data loss between 2019 and 2020, it's just concerning. If we were given a card like BRP/BRC, it would be much aafer, looking at the history. The real issue in my eyes is that should my data be deleted, they will treat me then as someone breaking immigration laws. "You should have regularly check, hmmm" or similar. I understand things change, but this is just so unsecured way of doing it imho, I am having a moan.

So I am just having a massive moan.

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lightand · 16/01/2021 10:16

When the idea was first mooted and popularized that once we had computers, everything could be online, and paper items a thing of the past, I could see the potential problems immediately. Nothing since, has made me change my mind on that.

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 16/01/2021 10:18

I was always this "ok, this is how it is, let's work with what I got even though it's shit" person. Until I realised the amount of data loss incidents.
It should be both. Online and in our hands.

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Songsofexperience · 16/01/2021 10:33

I agree schrodinger. The real risk is failures in long term management of that data. That's what would make me nervous.
When I applied for my citizenship, I could at least use the physical permanent resident card that was issued until not long ago. Why did they scrap that? It existed! That was physical proof! In fact I kept it for my own records even though it isn't relevant anymore.

lightand · 16/01/2021 10:36

If a person was inclined towards conspiracies, it could be wondered whether all part of an eventual plan of something or other.

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 16/01/2021 10:43

Yes @Songsofexperience. At the time when there was no general need for the card (unless applying for citizenship) we could have had it😂 Now everyone needs a proof, they cancelled it😂

@lightand I agree. 👀

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PurplePansy05 · 16/01/2021 10:55

I imagine you will be given housing, food, benefits?

Love the sarcasm on this thread!

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