To think a "breathing" sex robot should be illegal

[CrotchBurn]

Apparently there is an AI sex robot that now has the feature of breathing (there's a video in the article in the link).

I don't really care how these ultra realistic sex dolls might help people for various reasons. I think in a world where men overwhelming treat women as unfeeling objects (yeah okay NAMALT), further blurring the lines between womens bodies and inanimate objects you can do what you want to is dangerous.

I think they should be illegal.

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/sex-robot-breathes-incredible-ai-23275331

[quote CrotchBurn]Just FYI I've found a very thorough and impartial overview of sex dolls:

Design, Use, and Effects of Sex Dolls and Sex Robots: Scoping Review
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7426804/[/quote]
Summary of results:
"According to the topics and methodologies, the sex doll and sex robot publications were divided into 5 and 6 groups, respectively. The majority of publications were theoretical papers. Thus far, no observational or experimental research exists that uses actual sex dolls or sex robots as stimulus material."

In other words: no-one's actually looked at this in real life so we don't know.

So maybe impartial, maybe "thorough" in the sense that they claim to have looked at all the current literature, but useful or informative? Not really, because as they admit, no-one's actually looked at answering the question of what drives men to use these dolls in real life and what impact does it have on their real life relationships with actual women.

(As an aside still reeling at the idea that someone would find out their partner had a doll and decide to stay with that partner. Me, I'd be running for the fucking hills so fast Usain Bolt couldn't catch me, 50-something "built-for-comfort-not-for-speed" woman that I am notwithstanding.)

I think it is difficult territory. Reading some of the comments I felt like the same arguments could potentially be used against couples practising BDSM.

You could say that by enacting scenarios of non-consent/punishment (even though they are actually consensual) you are training someone to be turned on by non-consent, and they may then potentially escalate to the real thing.

I think a lot of couple’s would take real offence at that suggestion though, and would certainly object to anyone saying that their sex lives were perverse, unhealthy or ought to be banned/policed.

On that basis it is hard to see why a person acting out similar fantasies with an inanimate object should be treated more harshly by the law. What if their scenarios with their doll were actually less extreme than those acted out by the hard core couple living next door?

I don’t know the answer, but the world keeps getting stranger.

@TheBuffster

Think someone has seen Lars and the Real Girl too many times

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@BornIn78

Is it cynical of me to presume it needs to breathe so it can be suffocated?

That was my very first thought about the purpose of it 'breathing' - so it can be strangled/suffocated.

Sam and now I feel like there is something wrong with me haha

@Bluegrass in theory BDSM is already covered by legal precedent in the form of the Spanner case where a group of men engaging in consensual BDSM (specifically, nailing each others' scrotums to the floor, IIRC) were charged with ABH, and found guilty. As far as I know (not a lawyer) the legal precedent still holds good - in English law you cannot consent to ABH even under the pretext of consensual BDSM.

However, as the cases detailed on the "We can't consent to this" website show, this legal precedent seems to be conveniently forgotten where the person on the receiving end is female, especially if (conveniently for the perpetrator) she's dead so can't contest his account of events. Men regularly get away with murder.

So yes, I absolutely would like consensual BDSM which leads to ABH or carries a risk of death criminalized. It wouldn't stop couples who genuinely wanted to do it from engaging, but it might make them a bit more careful, and it would close a loophole in murder trials meaning there was no wriggle room for a man to say "I only meant to cause her a bit of the pain she asked for, not her death." If he knowingly engaged in a practice which a reasonable person (the famous "reasonable person" in English law) would conclude carried a non-negligible risk of death, he could be done for murder.

@PicsInRed

Is it cynical of me to presume it needs to breathe so it can be suffocated?

They should be so illegal prison time is involved.

Exactly my first thought unfortunately.

Is it cynical of me to presume it needs to breathe so it can be suffocated?

My first thought too. What a world.

@NoOneOwnsTheRainbow

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

“A lot of people could learn something from the doll community”

Like what?? Honestly.

I have to admit they're definitely a little sinister. But not all stranglers are sinister!

I think it's one of those things that people like to be outraged about for 5 minutes. It's just something you don't personally agree with, don't be a karen and say it has to be illegal because you don't like it.

“A lot of people could learn something from the doll community”

Brush hair?
Undress anywhere?
See the glamour in pink?

don't be a karen...

Oh, I do love to see a bit of internalised misogyny running riot!

There are reborn dolls that breathe too, it's really creepy

@cherrypie111

^Weird? Yes

Should be made illegal? No

There is a big gap between shit people find odd and stuff that should be made illegal^

Sorry cherry pie, am I misunderstanding you? Or are you saying that child like (7 years I believe PP said) sex dolls should be legal?

@fastwigglylines definitely not publishable anywhere, I am a very lowly undergraduate returning to education at the ripe old age of 43.

There are lots of resources online tho, accessible to anyone.

academic.oup.com/jmp/article/42/3/237/3817401

That is one that looks quite exhaustive. I obviously used the uni library but it's quite a hotly debated topic so you should find plenty to look at. Also google bioethics, critique of Bladerunner and Gattaca, Frankenstien, Promethius, AI, Robocop and a million other sci fi films that are based on the creation or manipulation or replication of the human form. It's really interesting and sex robots will soon, if they haven't already, form part of the academic discussion around transhumanism.

If it imitates being strangled, yes, otherwise no, just realism.

The kid ones are a fucking abomination though.

I don't get your logic here @Godimabitch. If it's an abomination for men to use child dolls for sex, (which of course it is) why is it not an abomination for them to use adult ones? The idea that they can do what they want with a fully compliant, realistic female form that has no right to react, reject etc absolutely enables and reinforces the dehumanisation of the other person, whatever their age.

If it allows weirdos to do things to a robot rather than an unwilling person, it's a good thing surely?

But not all stranglers are sinister!

Wtf?

If it allows weirdos to do things to a robot rather than an unwilling person, it's a good thing surely?

Where's the evidence it stops there and isn't a gateway?

DH has a doll. I thought it was a bit weird at first. But anyone who has spent 5 minutes on the online doll community forums would learn the men who shell out that much for the realistic ones treat them like princesses
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YANBU. I think they’re creepy and wrong. A gateway to actually attacking women and girls.

We should be teaching men this stuff is not ok; not indulging it and pretending it doesn’t cause a problem.

@Labobo I just see them as sex toys, most sex toys imitate sex, and i dont think for most men it's about a compliant female that can't say no, it's a more intimate, emotional type of sex toy for men that miss that human part of sex, but dont feel comfortable pursuing women for multiple reasons, confidence, widowed etc. I can imagine when you're cuddling, that breathing is really comforting.

No one should be seeking anything like that from children. Replacing intimacy with an adult woman is acceptable to me. Replacing intimacy with a child isn't, because you shouldn't want intimacy with a child. It shouldn't be encouraged or normalised and a doll that looks like a 6 year old prostitute with a washable vagina is of no use to anyone except paedophiles.

I had a look at a forum think it's the same one and it was all a bit readers wives but with dolls which are evidently dolls and not realistic at all. I think the breathing is indeed quite creepy but as long as it can't be stopped by force and is just a realism feature then I couldn't get worked up about it.
That said if they do start up with real life murder sims then ofc that should be illegal just as the child dolls are.
I saw a woman review a male sex doll I remember it came with interchangeable penises. I think she said she wouldn't have much use for a sex toy that had to be stored on a meat hook.

[quote BornIn78]@OrangeSlices998 it may have been the same documentary, they closed their stand when one man asked if they had a knife so he could try stabbing a doll.[/quote]
I read an article once about the place that refurbishes those lifelike sex dolls. Apparently they sometimes get worn out or overstretched so their owners send them back to the factory to be fixed up. The guy who worked there said they get some dolls back in horrific shape, that have clearly been 'tortured' and are covered in knife wounds. It even made these guys, who see dolls every day, worry about the kind of owner who would do that to a doll.

The whole industry is so disgusting, almost like it was designed specifically to desensitise men to treating women badly.

@CaraDuneRedux

don't be a karen...

Oh, I do love to see a bit of internalised misogyny running riot!

This. @CaraDuneRedux

I saw a woman being called a Karen on a social media group because she dared to challenge (politely actually), for making sleazy comment about a young woman's breasts. It's being used now left right & centre to put us stupid bitches back in our place, sometimes by women who fancy themselves as 'cool girls' so they can distance themselves and go 'NOT ME!!! I'm not like THEM! I'M ONE OF THE GOOD ONES. PLZ accept MEEEEE!!! LOLZ!!'

It's even better if we're over the age of 30. Extra points!! It's plain old misogyny under a new woke label. I honestly question your I.Q if you can't see that. It will come to haunt you one day @Lucieintheskye