Impeachment of Trump and Inauguration of Biden (#120)

[Roussette]

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So fast moving. Here we go again....

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahmimms/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-feared-death-capitol-riot-attack

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@TomatoesAreFruit

The panic buttons thing is terrifying. It looks like there were people on the inside.

If I was a republican, I would vote to impeach to bring the matter to a swift end. Who knows what would come out during a lengthy investigation.

Excellent point

I think there will be a lengthy investigation regardless, but it will probably get less attention if they've done the right thing and convicted

@TomatoesAreFruit

The panic buttons thing is terrifying. It looks like there were people on the inside.

If I was a republican, I would vote to impeach to bring the matter to a swift end. Who knows what would come out during a lengthy investigation.

You may not want to if you are a Republican actively stirring the pot and up to your neck in it...

Yes looking increasingly likely it was an 'inside' job

The news of Lisa Montgomery's execution has made me really sad this morning. Not defending her crime, which was truly horrific, but when I went to bed yesterday, I believed she'd secured a stay of execution.

Another horrendous act to add to Trumps legacy - the state-sanctioned murder of a mentally ill woman in the last week of his administration

All Republicans that don't act now are doing, is ensuring they'll need deeper graves when the mob comes for them.

@SanFranBear

The news of Lisa Montgomery's execution has made me really sad this morning. Not defending her crime, which was truly horrific, but when I went to bed yesterday, I believed she'd secured a stay of execution.

Another horrendous act to add to Trumps legacy - the state-sanctioned murder of a mentally ill woman in the last week of his administration

I feel the same, last I heard she had a stay, then suddenly it's over.

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@SanFranBear

The news of Lisa Montgomery's execution has made me really sad this morning. Not defending her crime, which was truly horrific, but when I went to bed yesterday, I believed she'd secured a stay of execution.

Another horrendous act to add to Trumps legacy - the state-sanctioned murder of a mentally ill woman in the last week of his administration

If the US didn't have capital punishment, Trump could not have done that.

When Trump is gone, the US will still have capital punishment. What's more everyone will say "It's OK we can continue to have capital punishment now Trump has gone ..."

Stop killing people. I know it's addictive and all that. But not civilised. And certainly cruel and unusual.

Lisa's life was so horrific.
She should have been removed from her "family" like her sister was.
She was a very, very damaged person.
She was failed by everyone who should have protected her.
In failing her they failed her victims.
Tragic.

Interesting question floating around now about the exact nature of the Senates ability to convict upon impeachment.

The Constitution actually mandates a 2/3rds majority of voters present so Republicans don't need to actually vote at all if they want to keep their hands clean.

The Senate shall have sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Bloody hell, the panic button removal! And that Q Anon, gun-toting nut job giving away Nancy Pelosi's location - how in the hell has this woman not been arrested for questioning?

Not sure whether this has been linked, but here's an item on the Congressmen allegedly complicit:

Thanks Roussette. Off to catch up on the last thread now.

Some of Rep. Gosar's siblings want him expelled from Congress after deadly riot at Capitol

"We know him to be an extremist and we took that very seriously," said Seattle resident Jennifer Gosar, one of Paul Gosar's nine siblings. "I believe that my brother has been a constant perpetrator of misinformation. ... I've been incredulous at the lack of accountability thus far. I would think Wednesday would be certainly a line."

This is the man whose siblings made a attack ad against him in the 2018 elections. Don't say they didn't warn you, Arizona!

@dreamingbohemian

Thanks for the new thread!

I suppose part of the problem is that right wing nutjobs have been talking about storming DC for years, and it was all bullshit, so law enforcement was inclined not to take the latest chatter seriously. BUT they obviously should have because there have been serious actual attacks and plots recently, like the Michigan militia that was going to storm the statehouse and execute people live on TV.

Even if they didn't take the intelligence about planned, orchestrated violence seriously, they knew there was going to be a large demonstration on the day. On such an important day constitutionally, and with just about every member of the government in attendance, there is no explanation for the completely inadequate policing other than deliberate sabotage by people in LE leadership positions. The cops were completely overwhelmed when there could easily have been thousands more of them deployed and my heart sank for those poor officers who had to face that baying crowd with nothing more than bicycle helmets for protection.

I'm confident though that the good guys (and by that I mean those who believe in law & order and democracy, not Republican v Democrat) will get to the bottom of this and hold all those complicit to account. They need to get through the inauguration though and until they do I remain very nervous.

Pelosi said her young staffers knew to barricade the door, turn out the lights, and be silent, because they learned it in school
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I'm confident though that the good guys (and by that I mean those who believe in law & order and democracy, not Republican v Democrat) will get to the bottom of this and hold all those complicit to account.

Right up until the administration of justice hits the political ceiling. And then it'll all be forgotten.

Compare and contrast with how the US political system dealt with "Commies" under McCarthy ...

Thank you for the new thread.
DGR the "two thirds of members present" is very interesting indeed.
Is there a minimum number, who need to be present, for a quorum, do you know?
(Hoping against hope here that some of the weasels, at least, throw a sickie and don't turn up)

I'm confident though that the good guys (and by that I mean those who believe in law & order and democracy, not Republican v Democrat) will get to the bottom of this and hold all those complicit to account. They need to get through the inauguration though and until they do I remain very nervous.

I hope you are right. The idiot foot soldiers who don't know any better are one thing, but the chilling indications that this was a highly organised, top down operation must not be allowed to go unpunished. I wonder if this is why the Feds have been so slow in debriefing. I wonder if they are having to hold back information because it's not over yet.

17 Republican senators are needed for an impeachment conviction. That sounds like a tall order but it might not be as far-fetched as we think. Instead of looking for politicians "who will do the right thing", we need to be looking for people who want to keep their jobs in 2024 and consider Trump to be a liability for the party. Remember, if he is convicted, he cannot put himself forward as a candidate, leaving the field clear for a fresh face.

Republicans may not have a conscience, but they definitely have ambition.

Thanks TheABC. That makes sense to me.

I have don't think there will be mass shoot outs because most people don't want to go to prison.
However as ever it's the lone gunman, no friend's, radicalised who is to be fear, nothing to lose. The

@TheABC

17 Republican senators are needed for an impeachment conviction. That sounds like a tall order but it might not be as far-fetched as we think. Instead of looking for politicians "who will do the right thing", we need to be looking for people who want to keep their jobs in 2024 and consider Trump to be a liability for the party. Remember, if he is convicted, he cannot put himself forward as a candidate, leaving the field clear for a fresh face.

Republicans may not have a conscience, but they definitely have ambition.

Yes I agree, there's plenty of Republican folk who don't back Trump or what he did.

I really hope this happens. They need a fresh face.