Impeachment of Trump and Inauguration of Biden (#120)

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So fast moving. Here we go again....

I think Liz Chaney saying she will vote for impeachment is significant. She is a dynastic republican; if Dick Chaney’s daughter is prepared to impeach maybe some others will follow.

www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/liz-cheney-donald-trump-impeachment-vote/index.html

Got to be honest. I think that the fact no other Republicans went on record after the Pence letter is a bad sign.

It stopped the momentum that was building last night a little.

Pmk.

Thanks everyone for your excellent contributions. Have never posted before but have been reading for yonks.

Ocasio-Cortez's statement is blood curling. It must have been an inside job, but for some reason I would find it less shocking if it was 'only' on the side of the police. To actually think that your own colleagues and members of the House are after you is something else. A betrayal too far .

I do hope Mikie Sherrill gets to the bottom of who those 'reconnaissance' members were.

Thanks for new thread! Wonder how many threads will be filled before the 20th.

I'm confused as to why the vote for impeachment proceedings isn't anonymous anyway. Surely having the votes kept secret means the senators are less likely to be coerced or succumb to blackmail attempts.

It makes no sense, unless there is a good reason I haven't understood?

Morning all.

Going back to the previous thread re the ITV documentary, I agree that it was really surreal to see heavily armed people walking around taking pictures like they were on a day out. Even the reporters were doubting themselves about it being an organised attack. Then came the woman in a green top, directing the mob to where they wanted them to go. And talking about insiders, she knew the building and the plan.
Scary stuff

stickygotstuck

One newly elected house representative (elected on the alleged 'fraudulent ballot') Lauren Boebart live tweeted the location of Nancy Pelosi during the insurrection.

Her twitter is about as bad as Trumps was. I don't know how these awful people get elected. Funnily enough, she had no problem accepting the position she was was elected to, even though she is claiming that Biden's win on the same ballot is fraudulent.

Another lurker coming on to PMK ahead of next week's inauguration. It's the intelligence behind the rabble with the horns and painted faces that's the most worrying. Has anyone else been reminded of The Handmaidens Tale and what brought about the theocracy?

I was so relieved that Biden won, but this is all so worrying.

stickygotstuck Welcome!

On the anonymous, I suppose it's like our MPs, I know my MP's appalling record of voting, I imagine the public has to know to be accountable?

Lauren Boebart is the one who was in the Chamber last week going on about gun rights and openly showing her gun tucked in to her waistband. And now they have got metal detectors in, there's a stand off, she won't give up her gun

www.denverpost.com/2021/01/12/lauren-boebert-guns-congress-security-stop/

And yes she was tweeting Pelosi's whereabouts.

gizmodo.com/parler-users-breached-deep-inside-u-s-capitol-building-1846042905

Anonymous voting - I guess they've never had this situation before and perhaps following it they may amend constitution to allow for anonymous voting solely on impeachment?? Trying to think of ramifications of that, hmmm.

No help now though.

How I wish there could be an anonymous vote on impeachment. It would happen then.

^This. As it isn't anonymous, I'm not surprised that there are quite a few Republicans who are jittery about voting to impeach Trump. These death threats are deadly serious, we know that now.

Place markimg!

Just bringing . Thanks for new thread, Rousette.

This latest from the Lincoln Project is getting interesting reactions, with some on FB apparently taking it at face value.
https://fb.watch/2_x4wARNeg/

I think Mitch M saying that he'll back Senate conviction if the Reps vote to impeach is significant, he's a heavy weight and wouldnt be surprised if it emboldened some Republicans in the Senate to also vote in favour.

@stickygotstuck

Pmk.

Thanks everyone for your excellent contributions. Have never posted before but have been reading for yonks.

Ocasio-Cortez's statement is blood curling. It must have been an inside job, but for some reason I would find it less shocking if it was 'only' on the side of the police. To actually think that your own colleagues and members of the House are after you is something else. A betrayal too far .

I do hope Mikie Sherrill gets to the bottom of who those 'reconnaissance' members were.

There was a piece in an arizona newspaper last night which said it was sourced from CNN stating that one of those arrested had told investigators that he has been in touch with two arizona congressmen. The implication was not just that he had been in touch but they'd actively helped him.

I will see if i can find a link.

Thanks for the new thread!

I suppose part of the problem is that right wing nutjobs have been talking about storming DC for years, and it was all bullshit, so law enforcement was inclined not to take the latest chatter seriously. BUT they obviously should have because there have been serious actual attacks and plots recently, like the Michigan militia that was going to storm the statehouse and execute people live on TV.

God, the US is so messed up these days:

@munson_jo
Pelosi said her young staffers knew to barricade the door, turn out the lights, and be silent, because they learned it in school.

eu.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2021/01/10/paul-gosar-andy-biggs-credited-video-organizing-trump-crowd-dc/6603721002/
Reps. Paul Gosar, Andy Biggs credited in video with organizing Trump crowd in DC on day of riot

www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2021/01/09/paul-gosars-siblings-want-him-expelled-congress-say-he-helped-instigate-riot/6609381002/
Some of Rep. Gosar's siblings want him expelled from Congress after deadly riot at Capitol

"We know him to be an extremist and we took that very seriously," said Seattle resident Jennifer Gosar, one of Paul Gosar's nine siblings. "I believe that my brother has been a constant perpetrator of misinformation. ... I've been incredulous at the lack of accountability thus far. I would think Wednesday would be certainly a line."

www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-washington-capitol-trump-state-lawmakers-republican-biden-election-11524062
Here Are the Local Elected Officials Who Expressed Sympathy With Capitol Rioters

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On Wednesday, January 6, hundreds of supporters of President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to disrupt certification of a democratic election. They made it as far as the chambers of the U.S. Senate and were only repelled from the chambers of the U.S. House of Representatives by an improvised barricade and police with guns drawn.

The attack, which left four rioters dead and forced the evacuation of lawmakers, staff and journalists, was the culmination of efforts by Trump supporters to overturn the election by spreading conspiracy theories. This attack on American democracy has been not just enabled, but actively promoted by some Republican elected officials here in Arizona.

While some promoters of Trump election conspiracies backed away from their positions after seeing the violence yesterday, others did not. Some even expressed sympathy for those who sought to overthrow our system of democratic government. Here's who they are:

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Arizona Republican Party Chair Kelli Ward

It's unsurprising that Ward would back rioters driven by election conspiracy theories. She has been one of the biggest proponents of them in Arizona and has had no compunctions about tearing asunder the state's Republican party in the process.

True to form, she tweeted out a claim that the riot could have been avoided if Democrats had submitted to an — unwarranted — examination of the voting process. (She did not mention that it was Republican elected officials in Maricopa County who went to court to avoid such theatrics.)

What was truly shocking was when she suggested that the attempt to overthrow the election by force had created the pretext necessary to allow states to appoint new electors, who would presumably give the election to Trump over the will of voters and accomplish exactly what the attackers were hoping for:

A spokesperson for the Arizona Republican party did not respond to Phoenix New Times' request for comment yesterday.

U.S. Representative Paul Gosar

Gosar, a dentist-turned-election-conspiracist congressman, has been one of the strongest local promoters of the baseless conspiracy theory that the election was stolen from President Trump. He was one of the first elected officials to attend protests alongside far-right activists and militia members outside the Maricopa Elections building following the November 3 election.

In the hours before rioters breached the U.S. Capitol's perimeter, Gosar, whose Congressional District 4 spans part of central and western Arizona, led an effort asking for Arizona's electoral votes to not be counted.

Sorry copy and paste fail.

Hope thats still understandable.

Theres some proper batshittery going on in Arizona

Placemarking!

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God, the US is so messed up these days:

@munson_jo
Pelosi said her young staffers knew to barricade the door, turn out the lights, and be silent, because they learned it in school.

That is so sad

Ok this is really chilling, from the Boston Globe -- Ayanna Pressley is one of the most targeted lawmakers by right wingers:

As people rushed out of other buildings on the Capitol grounds, staffers in Pressley’s office barricaded the entrance with furniture and water jugs that had piled up during the pandemic. Groh pulled out gas masks and looked for the special panic buttons in the office.

“Every panic button in my office had been torn out — the whole unit,” she said, though they could come up with no rationale as to why. She had used them before and hadn’t switched offices since then. As they were escorted to several different secure locations, Groh and Pressley and her husband tried to remain calm and vigilant — not only of rioters but of officers they did not know or trust, she said.

The panic buttons thing is terrifying. It looks like there were people on the inside.

If I was a republican, I would vote to impeach to bring the matter to a swift end. Who knows what would come out during a lengthy investigation.