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To think women have a best before date

338 replies

Meowmeow202027 · 12/01/2021 01:06

To men that is?
Talking to dh about the fact im turning 30 this year and how since getting married and having 3 kids i feel unattractive and no one cares about my opinions or even looks my way. When men have kids etc there body doesn't change. Pretty much they are the same people as before unlike women.
Sorry for the rambling.

OP posts:
LegoVsFoot · 12/01/2021 10:11

30???!

I'm 29 and still feel young haha. I think it's about how you feel and present yourself.

My mum and her disgusting husband very much bought into the whole 'women have a sell by date' thing and it made me paranoid when I was younger but now I realise it's not the reality. You can take care of yourself and look beautiful no matter how old you are.

And 30 is young by most standards - you can definitely still look good!

FuriousWithTheNHS · 12/01/2021 10:13

Your 30s will probably be the best decade of your life, economic/personal circumstances notwithstanding. A woman is at her most attractive and self assured in her 30s and even 40s I think.

I bloody LOVED being in my 30s, and my 40s were pretty great too. 50s not so much.....that's when things really start to change and you feel it. Empty nest syndrome, low sex drive, menopause, weight gain, health niggles etc. It's a tough transition having to finally look ageing in the face and accept that it's coming for you.

speakout · 12/01/2021 10:15

My 50's decade is my best yet.
More time to myself, more exercise, more time for my own projects, not havibg to deal with young children.

I love this decade.

Changechangychange · 12/01/2021 10:17

There are definitely some men who only want 18 year olds.

Fuck that. My 30s were amazing for all kinds of reasons (professionally, plus doing more travelling, taking up new hobbies and making new friends). I’m only 41, but expect my 40s to be just as good (all the previous stuff, but hopefully bigger house, more money. kids old enough to do more).

I’m not really interested in what some random man in a bar thinks of me - I wouldn’t fuck him either.

Dongdingdong · 12/01/2021 10:17

Being brutally honest, yes I think we do. I looked far prettier in my 20s than I do now. But I think men also have a best before date.

Basically we all look better when we're younger! There are always a few exceptions to the rule, but overall I would say that is the trend.

ApocalypseBiscuits · 12/01/2021 10:17

@Babdoc

What a quaint thread! Are you a time traveller from the 19th century, OP? Good grief, woman, get yourself over to the feminist boards and drop all this crap about sell by dates. Women are people, not packets of bloody cornflakes! I mean this kindly, but please - stop giving a shit about such trivia as your appearance or men’s opinions, and get a life!
Thank you! It's such depressing bullshit. It makes my heart sink reading some of the posts about how women are feeling about themselves.
Dongdingdong · 12/01/2021 10:18

To clarify - when I say all, I mean women AND men.

bengalcat · 12/01/2021 10:19

I'm in my 50's and can still turn heads in a bar ( and not just octogenarians lol ) - when we were still allowed in one that is .

ApocalypseBiscuits · 12/01/2021 10:21

@OutwiththeOutCrowd

Whatever age you are, you should consider yourself to be in your prime - like Miss Jean Brodie.
I love this! Also everyone should channel a bit of Maggie Smith sometimes. Now there's a woman who does not give a shit about superficial nonsense.
KatharinaRosalie · 12/01/2021 10:24

OP hasn't been back?

If your entire self esteem and value depends on your attractiveness to opposite sex then yes, the bigger part of the male population found you more attractive 10 years ago. Why do you care so much though?

FastFood · 12/01/2021 10:27

A best before date for what? For the male attention?
Fine by me.

However, I disagree, I find a lot of older women beautiful (maybe not attractive in a sexual way, but again, fine by me), enlighten, fun to be around, passionate, interesting, empowered etc...and I think part of that it's precisely BECAUSE they don't give a fuck anymore about what people think.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 12/01/2021 10:28

I'm not in this world to decorate it for superficial wankers.

ZaZathecat · 12/01/2021 10:30

Definitely not true at 30. Past menopause I think we may lose some lustre, but I don't see many 50+ men who would make good window dressing either.

Changechangychange · 12/01/2021 10:31

@Babdoc

What a quaint thread! Are you a time traveller from the 19th century, OP? Good grief, woman, get yourself over to the feminist boards and drop all this crap about sell by dates. Women are people, not packets of bloody cornflakes! I mean this kindly, but please - stop giving a shit about such trivia as your appearance or men’s opinions, and get a life!
To be fair to OP, she seemed to be saying was it true that men think women have a sell-by date, not that she personally thought that.

And I think that is true, lots of men do think that (because lots of men are tossers who are not worth any woman’s time).

Catty1720 · 12/01/2021 10:36

I’m 31 nearly 32 in the last two years I’ve had cancer and a baby. I’m covered in scars and I poop into a bag if there’s sell by dates mines expired 🤣
My DP has said I have never ever ever been more beautiful than when I’m kicking the arse out of life. It’s a state of mind not what you look at in the mirror.

lottiegarbanzo · 12/01/2021 10:39

The things is, you're only going to get older.

Think about how young you felt an looked ten years ago.

Now try to jump forwards ten years and see how young you seem now, from the perspective of a forty year-old. And so on.

You can live your life looking backwards and regretting that you are not now what you were then. Or, you can live your life for now, so that you have something amazing, an image and memory of your best self at x age, to look back upon. Your choice.

I think you're going to have an awesome late-30s and 40s, once your DC are bit bigger and you are more yourself again. (Not that the early years aren't special and wonderful in themselves, they are, for the loveliness of time with littlies, just not so much for your appearance or feelings of independent self-worth).

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 12/01/2021 10:40

To men that is?
Talking to dh about the fact im turning 30 this year and how since getting married and having 3 kids i feel unattractive and no one cares about my opinions or even looks my way. When men have kids etc there body doesn't change. Pretty much they are the same people as before unlike women.
Sorry for the rambling.

Trust me, most men have a 'best before' date too. Don't ever get to 50 and try your hand at OLD or you'll find out Blush

alittleprivacy · 12/01/2021 10:42

Ok, so this is going to sound really, really mean but I was 31 and living away from home when Facebook took off and I was slightly later joining it than most people I knew. In the first month or so, I connected with loads of old friends who I hadn't seen much in the previous 7/8 years. The women all looked largely the same. Yes, most of us had put on a little weight but by and large there wasn't much different between their very early 30s selves and their early-mid 20s selves.

However the majority of the men looked honestly, really awful. Paunchy, bloated, red faced, receding hairlines that aren't bad in and of themselves but are when still cut in a way that needs a full head of hair. Badly dressed, even sometimes in expensive branded clothes but ones that no longer suited them or fit properly. About 20-30% of men who hadn't let themselves go looked great and it was clear from their facebook that they were either making an effort to stay physically in shape, often posting about their runs/cycles/football training/etc and/or had a physical job.

With very little effort the women had stayed the same. Even with extra weight, they didn't look so utterly aged. The men who similarly 'let themselves go' really, really looked it.

I spent a lot of my late 20s and 30s overweight and was on the cusp of obesity at 39. That was ageing, as in I didn't look super old, but I looked dowdy and the natural fullness of my eyes and lips were hidden and my cheekbones no longer stood out. I'm small with an hourglass figure but was starting to become rounded and shapeless. More than that, I had less energy and playfulness. I didn't look as bad as many of the men I knew did, but if you don't take care of your body, it does eventually take it's toll on your looks and more importantly your abilities. At 39, I decided to lose the weight, at 40 I accidentally found my 'sport' by 41 I was athletically fit with excellent ultra-endurance. I'm 42 now and despite a bout of what was most likely "long Covid" I'm back in shape, strong, muscular, increasingly flexible and just constantly full of reserves of energy and just utter joy brought on by my physicality. I look younger than I have done in a long time (though obviously up close you can see the lines on my face and a crap night's sleep shows up in ways it didn't 20 years ago).

What I have found though, is that it's pretty rare for women my age to still be fit/re-find fitness. Whereas the men who were keeping in shape at 30, are still doing so at 40. I think that's down to 2 things. Men are more likely to insist on pursuing their hobbies even with kids, while women have less time for themselves. And the absolute fucking lie we are told about accepting our post-pregnancy bodies. What was once a good message about not beating ourselves up about how pregnancy can change us, has morphed into a learned helplessness that stops us from even trying to change all the things that we do have power over. I've been utterly fucking amazed at how the belly I spent years 'accepting' has morphed into something I'd proudly display to the world if I didn't think it would make me look vain.

praepondero · 12/01/2021 10:52

I think the sad truth is - some are born blessed with exceptional looks and most aren't.
The ones that are, get a disproportional amount of attention and opportunities thrown at them, and if they manage to hold on to said looks and cultivate their cognitive powers, barring stupid choices in DHs and illnesses/etc., won't reach their sell-by-date until nearing dotage-hood.
People do let themselves go though, life gets in the way, and stresses of all kinds age terribly.
Nevertheless, someone blessed with exceptional looks tends to get 'chosen' over someone of below-average looks but half their age.
Age does not matter, how one preserves oneself Grin, does.
Most people are really very shallow.

GreenlandTheMovie · 12/01/2021 10:57

Alittleprivavy whys it mean to point out the obvious? Ive spent a lot of my life living in a different country, and it is really noticable how awful the average British man over about 32 looks. Most of them are overweight, balding and have that awful unhealthy rough skin.

There are of course exceptions, but the median is dire. I think I notice it more because I'm not used to it. It's a shame because there are many attractive younger british men, but so many of them look as if they're about to develop cardiac problems or type 2 diabetes.

If you don't watch your diet and exercise or do a very active job, as a man you will age quickly and badly.

I don't think most of them realise how bad they look.

Babykoala1 · 12/01/2021 10:58

One thing I’ve noticed as I’m getting older is the type of man who approaches me. Recently I was chatted up by a man standing outside his house having a cigarette. He was in his dressing gown and he had all four of his front teeth missing. I just thought oh God is this my life now I’m in my 30’s. Does he think we'd be a really great match Sad

MrsMomoa · 12/01/2021 11:02

I met my partner at 40, so no.

Sounds like it's more about how you feel about yourself Op.
I'm 42 and fabulous! Grin

time4anothername · 12/01/2021 11:02

@Babdoc

What a quaint thread! Are you a time traveller from the 19th century, OP? Good grief, woman, get yourself over to the feminist boards and drop all this crap about sell by dates. Women are people, not packets of bloody cornflakes! I mean this kindly, but please - stop giving a shit about such trivia as your appearance or men’s opinions, and get a life!
This....
JorisBonson · 12/01/2021 11:03

No. I feel and look better in my late 30s than I ever did in my 20s.

GreenlandTheMovie · 12/01/2021 11:07

I think with women though, this is a bit of a left over attitude from a hundred years ago, when poverty and lack of opportunity meant that modern inventions such as hair and skincare products, and diet and exercise advice, weren't readily available.

As for men though - what happened? Someone told me once that some men deliberately like to be a bit overweight and ugly looking, to look "tough". Are they more interested in appealing to other men then?