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On our way to Biden's Inauguration (Trump #119)

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Roussette · 09/01/2021 11:21

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4128420-Capitol-Hill-and-the-next-2-weeks-Trump-118?watched=1&msgid=103459695#103459695

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 10/01/2021 18:47

One for the golfers amongst us.

PGA to strip Trump golf club of 2022 PGA Championship: report
www.rawstory.com/pga-donald-trump/

ListeningQuietly · 10/01/2021 18:47

DGR
Nothing stops the SCOTUS being expanded
BUT
the current SCOTUS have had the sense to say clear of the fray
(except the idiot wife of Judge Thomas)

And yes, Arnie's knowledge of sword manufacture was worthy of Conan
but his dad was at Kristallnacht
so that was from the heart
decades ago he used to threaten to sue people for saying his Dad was Nazi

AcrossthePond55 · 10/01/2021 18:47

@DGRossetti

On the SCOTUS issue, do you think the Dems will try to appoint extra judges to make up for the "stolen" picks?

Don't see they can - it's 9 by statute and they're in for life.

That's one reason why they may not be so Trumpy as people assume. After all, what can he - or indeed anyone - do about it now ? He might whinge about it, but that's it.

I know House of Cards had a Supreme being eased out though. And since we passed that fiction (along with Homeland) ages ago, who knows ?

The statute can be changed, just as any other statute can be. The number of justices is not actually in the Constitution. The Constitution specifies that Congress has the power to decide the number of justices.

The number of justices has been changed any number of times. The last change was in 1869, which 'reset' the number at 9.

So with a Dem POTUS, House, and Senate the court could be 'stacked'. Do I think it will happen? No.

constitutioncenter.org/blog/why-does-the-supreme-court-have-nine-justices

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 10/01/2021 18:48

On the SCOTUS issue, do you think the Dems will try to appoint extra judges to make up for the "stolen" picks?

Clarence Thomas’s position may come under pressure if the stories about his wife’s involvement in 6th Jan are true.

Roussette · 10/01/2021 18:49

Don't see they can - it's 9 by statute and they're in for life

I thought

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Roussette · 10/01/2021 18:50

Ooops I thought the number could be increased.

Yes on Clarence Thomas's wife. She paid for buses to bus in the rioters on Wednesday

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DGRossetti · 10/01/2021 18:54

Part of the US's political history has been a story of successive attempts to perform an end run around the constitution, as actual changes to the constitution are hard. Depending ....

Hard if you want to reframe the second amendment.

Much less so if you want to ban alcohol to allow organised crime to become embedded in the national character. Or faff about with pension arrangements.

lionheart · 10/01/2021 18:55

I did not know this:

www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/09/why-us-supreme-court-nine-justices/#:~:text=In%201801%2C%20Federalist%20party%20members,from%20six%20seats%20to%20five.

'In 2019, Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg, then mayor of South Bend, Indiana, advocated for expanding the Supreme Court back to 15 justices with an aim to depoliticize it. According to his plan, five justices would be affiliated with Democrats, five with Republicans, and five would be apolitical and chosen by their colleagues.'

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 10/01/2021 19:02

lionheart
'In 2019, Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg, then mayor of South Bend, Indiana, advocated for expanding the Supreme Court back to 15 justices with an aim to depoliticize it. According to his plan, five justices would be affiliated with Democrats, five with Republicans, and five would be apolitical and chosen by their colleagues.'

I thought all along that Mayor Pete was a sensible person.

I suppose one might try for three and three and three, if people are absolutely wedded to having nine on SCOTUS. It would mean waiting until three of the Republican ones had died, though.

DGRossetti · 10/01/2021 19:03

Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg, then mayor of South Bend, Indiana,

That's a name that seems to bubble under ... one to watch, despite the unfortunate nominative determination for knucklehead opponents (depending on how US slang goes these days).

PerkingFaintly · 10/01/2021 19:07

Going back to interesting stuff my friends send me, someone into the history of publishing provided me with this exchange from 1821 between Blackwood, the magazine publisher, and Ballantyne, his regular printer.

It seems the question of whether people are bounden to enable publication of others' views is in no way new!

Annals of a Publishing House, Vol I by Margaret Oliphant (1897)
archive.org/details/annalsofpublishi01olipuoft/page/338/mode/2up

p338

We imagine it would startle the publishers of to-day, almost as much as Balaam was startled by an unlooked-for remonstrance, did there proceed from any printing-office charged with their work an indignant appeal like this:—

James Ballantyne to W. Blackwood.
“Do you really mean to insert that most clever but most indecently scurrilous attack upon Hogg ? For my own part, I do not stand up for Hogg's conduct; but such language as is applied to him appears to me absolutely unwarrantable, and in your Magazine peculiarly and shockingly offensive.
“You will do as you think best certainly; but I must at once say that if it goes in I must withdraw, in all subsequent numbers, from the concern. How much I shall regret this on many accounts I need not say; but I cannot allow such an article to appear with even my implied approbation attached to it. It is hard, you may think, that an editor should be fettered by his printer; but I cannot help this. The printer must not be made to encounter what he considers to be disgrace.”

Mr Blackwood immediately replied as follows:—

W. Blackwood to James Ballantyne.
“The article on Hogg is to be very much altered indeed, else you may depend upon it that / could not allow it to appear. But really of this you must permit me to be judge, for, disagreeable and unpleasant as it would be for us to part, I cannot submit to be told what must not insert in the Magazine. My character and interest are at stake, and you may depend upon it that nothing will appear in the Magazine but what it will be both for my credit and interest to publish, and, of course, for you to print.
“While I feel myself obliged to say this, I beg to assure you that nothing will give me greater pleasure than to receive any remarks from you at all times. As a friend, I will value them, as you know that no man is more open to reason than I am but as your favourite Bard says, ‘Not upon compulsion, Hal.’
“All I shall add is, that I hope we shall never have two words of difference upon this or any other subject that will be unpleasant to either of us.”

But Signer Aldiborontiphoscophornio could not let well alone:—

James Ballantyne to W. Blackwood.
“Surely, my dear sir, I never could say or hint that you were not the sole and irresponsible judge of what is to be inserted in your own Magazine ? Certain it is, at least, that I had no intention to convey any such absurd meaning, and I hereby disclaim it as strongly as possible. All that I meant to say was—and surely the earlier and the more explicitly it was said the better—that I regarded the article on Hogg, as it at present stands, as of such a nature that if it were published in its present shape I could not continue to be the printer. This, you are aware, is only exerting in my own case that power of judging and deciding which every man of independence must exert in order to secure the continuance of his independence.
“I assure you, my dear sir, I am far too well aware of the value of your employment and confidence hastily or rashly to forfeit it; and I think nothing is more likely than that in most cases that regard the feelings of honourable minds we shall agree ; and I truly rejoice that great alterations are to be made in the article. You will allow that it needs them.”

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 10/01/2021 19:14

I think it was Charles I who was said to have attempted a coup against his own country and lost. It didn't end well...

lionheart · 10/01/2021 19:33

I love the Blackwood's archive. Smile

Here is something else that might cut the GOP down to size--$$$.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-10/marriott-suspends-donations-to-senators-who-opposed-vote-result

lionheart · 10/01/2021 19:34

For the defense:

crooksandliars.com/2021/01/alan-dershowitz-trumps-riot-incitement

lionheart · 10/01/2021 19:45

www.ft.com/content/e40c82d5-491c-40a9-9b85-5060becdba26?segmentID=635a35f9-12b4-dbf5-9fe6-6b8e6ffb143e

'The concern about what Mr Trump can still attempt to do is not academic. In spite of what happened on Wednesday, he still commands the personal loyalty of many people in uniform.'

FrankieStein402 · 10/01/2021 19:53

In defence of Arnie's temper analogy - tempering makes the hardened steel less brittle - only fractionally 'softer', IMHO an excellent analogy for what he describes.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 10/01/2021 20:27

To be fair to Arnie, which I am absolutely willing to do right now, he did say "stronger" rather than "harder". I still think flexible is more what is needed, though. Not being wedded to the letter of the constitution quite so much: some of it is not really as fit for purpose as it was when it was written more than two hundred years ago. (Ignoring the amendments since the Bill of Rights.)

FridayNightAtTheBronze · 10/01/2021 21:03

I'm wondering if Kayleigh McEnany is still working for the White House....I've seen a couple of press statements put out today by Judd Deere instead. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it, but she didn't look happy at the last press conference.

Roussette · 10/01/2021 21:09

This is a shocking telling of what happened to two blac officers on the day

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/black-capitol-police-racism-mob

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DuncinToffee · 10/01/2021 21:12

Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO), a gun-toting supporter of the QAnon movement, is facing backlash after she was accused of live-tweeting House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-CA) location during the attack on Capitol Hill last week.

www.rawstory.com/lauren-boebert-twitter/

PatriciaHolm · 10/01/2021 21:52

Apologies if this has been touched on already, but apparently Trump is planning a trip to Alamo, Texas, on Tuesday, to crow about his wall. It isn't where "The Alamo" is, that's in San Antonio some 250m away, but surely it's not a coincidence....

Apparently MAGA think he's already been smuggled to Texas, as part of the Grand Revolution...

www.expressnews.com/news/us-world/border-mexico/article/Trump-plans-Texas-border-trip-with-just-days-left-15859908.php

borntobequiet · 10/01/2021 21:59

I was speaking to my son this morning. He knows that I get most of my information from Mumsnet, so he told me that he had heard that Trump had been banned from Mumsnet. And Grindr...

Roussette · 10/01/2021 22:34

I've seen some new footage that's awful. And one of the capitol police has committed suicide and there are those out there saying that Wednesday contributed to this. No idea how true this is, just have to say that

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