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Why does everyone hate Boris?

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skidadle · 08/01/2021 15:19

Just that really. I neither like nor dislike him I don't feel any emotion towards him.
AIBU to ask why so many people on here hate/dislike Boris Johnson?

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Peregrina · 11/01/2021 21:48

Yes Liz Truss was boasting how she had got a trade deal on soy sauce, which took about two seconds to pick apart as not being any better than the deal we were choosing to sacrifice.

As for Rules based - yes, this is from the country which thinks it can rip up international treaties because the people who signed it were too lazy to read it. I am sure this will go down very well, when people want to sign deals with us.

Peregrina · 11/01/2021 21:54

I was a staunch Labour supporter but they are all public school boys now!

And of course, Johnson, Rees-Mogg both went to the local comprehensive!

I trust you aren't in N Ireland Clavinova - that place that Johnson swore there would be frictionless trade with.

jasjas1973 · 11/01/2021 21:55

another Liz Trussgem...

For those of you worried about where we might have been at the WTO for 45 years, let me reassure you - Britain is back

...WTO formed in 1995.

Clavinova · 11/01/2021 21:55

Liz Truss is the unsung hero of post-Brexit trade deals.

(She has signed more trade deals since the article was written last month).

inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-trade-deal-liz-truss-hero-794748

ladymalfoy45 · 11/01/2021 21:57

@skidadle

Ooohhh right, think I get the picture now! Didn't realise he was that bad, never paid any attention to him really. I over heard a conversation in my local shop. One man saying to the other"I think Boris is great". The other man shook his head!!
Gosh. That sounds like a clip from Pigeon Street or Mr. Ben
ListeningQuietly · 11/01/2021 22:01

I was a staunch Labour supporter but they are all public school boys now!
Keir Starmer
Angela Rayner
Anneliese Dodds
Lisa Nandy
Nick Thomas Symonds
David Lammy
Ed Milliband
which public schools did those boy attend

Clavinova · 11/01/2021 22:03

The Japan deal ties in with what Liz Truss said in her speech up thread;

The Japan deal includes provisions banning data localisation, highlighting financial services and supporting regulatory cooperation. For the UK, this proves that the country can negotiate a complex deal and devise its own model for trade priorities. And for the City’s financial services, infrastructure and data firms in particular, the deal forms a platform for London-Tokyo growth in a post-pandemic era.

London has always been international in its financial markets and a nexus for global deal-making. We should celebrate the UK-Japan FTA for what it is: a modern agreement forming a much-needed link between Asia and the west.

SabrinaThwaite · 11/01/2021 22:05

I think you mean “Truss has rolled over exiting trade deals with continuity agreements”.

tradebetablog.wordpress.com/2021/01/01/the-uks-rolled-over-deals-after-the-brexit-transition/

ListeningQuietly · 11/01/2021 22:06

Which of the deals Liz Truss got give the UK more than it had in the EU
(in the wording of the deal, not her pontificating)

Peregrina · 11/01/2021 22:07

But Gavin Williamson did attend the local comprehensive, so that shows the Tories are just like us really.

jasjas1973 · 11/01/2021 22:12

Japan has its own ambitions to significantly grow its financial services sector.
They'll take the best that London can offer and give little in return... sounds familiar as thats what they did to the UK's motorcycle industry... all Truss has done is to facilitate that.

Signing 57 FTA deals doesn't mean they are the best the UK could get,
Perhaps we would be better to seek specific UK deals rather than just sub standard remakes of the EU ones?

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 11/01/2021 22:33

Just seen him on BBC news:
"Hello Mary" - to woman just about to get Covid vaccine, then booms "this is THE most perilous time" - hope she doesn't have a fear of needles, must have really put her at her ease.
Prat.

Clavinova · 11/01/2021 22:34

Japan has its own ambitions to significantly grow its financial services sector.
They'll take the best that London can offer and give little in return.

Japan has given “global Britain”—and particularly the City— something to celebrate.

www.cityam.com/finance-not-fish-the-trade-deal-with-japan-focuses-on-what-matters-for-the-city/

This pact is based on the EU-Japan Economic Partnership Agreement (EPA) that entered into force in February 2019 and is the EU’s largest bilateral trade agreement," said Dr Totis Kotsonis, an international trade expert at Pinsent Masons, the law firm behind Out-Law.

"However, there are certain differences. For example, the agreement goes beyond the EU-Japan EPA in relation to e-commerce and financial services..."

Kotsonis said that the deal was important not just because of the trade that it will enable directly, but because it will act as a "stepping stone" to the CPTPP. He said that Japan has said it is willing to support the UK’s aspirations to join that bloc.

www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/japan-and-uk-sign-free-trade-agreement

Clavinova · 11/01/2021 22:43

Which of the deals Liz Truss got give the UK more than it had in the EU (in the wording of the deal, not her pontificating)

The Japan deal - "for the City’s financial services, infrastructure and data firms in particular (City A.M.)" but SabrinaThwaite's link says the agreement runs to 1,100 pages - I'm not looking through that! Grin

Peregrina · 11/01/2021 22:44

Truss sounds like another one with the same sense of Geography as Raab. Someone should have bought them atlases for Christmas.

There is a reason why nations trade with neighbours when they can.

jasjas1973 · 11/01/2021 22:46

In the year to September 2019, the total value of UK exports to Japan was £15bn — 28 per cent of which was contributed by financial services. Trade between the UK and Japan in financial services is largely without formal access barriers, but making the trade agreement explicit through this deal offers the industry a green light to collaborate further

Worth 3 billion? wow! lets hope the future talks on EU/UK FS access works out well!

Second, Japan needs allies to become a global financial centre. Tokyo’s ambition to be an international financial hotspot was reinforced as a priority by Japan’s newly elected Prime Minister, Yoshihide Suga

Yes, they want to grow their FS.

Clavinova · 11/01/2021 22:46

Perhaps we would be better to seek specific UK deals rather than just sub standard remakes of the EU ones?

November -
UK secures vital rollover trade deal with Canada and agrees to start negotiating more advanced deal next year.

www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-secures-vital-rollover-trade-deal-with-canada-and-agrees-to-start-negotiating-more-advanced-deal-next-year

SabrinaThwaite · 11/01/2021 22:56

UK secures vital rollover trade deal with Canada and agrees to start negotiating more advanced deal next year.

It runs to 5 pages, incorporating the EU-Canada deal into the UK-Canada relationship, with an annex of around 100 pages comprising lists of “find and replace” or “find and delete”, so that references to the EU in the CETA text are changed to UK equivalents, dates are changed and some other provisions are tweaked or removed.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/942941/CS_Canada_1.2020_Agreement_on_Trade_Continuity_UK_Canada.pdf

SabrinaThwaite · 11/01/2021 22:58

So it’s exactly a remake of CETA, even down to changing “EU” to “UK” Smile

ClaireP20 · 11/01/2021 23:01

I don't dislike him. In fact, now I think about it, I do like him.

So there.

Carryingon · 11/01/2021 23:02

Flakey arrogant lightweight

Peregrina · 11/01/2021 23:21

So these magnificent trade deals might be negotiated next year?
2022. I hope they do better than the deal they negotiated for the fishermen, who seem a tad disappointed.

But the people were supposed to be running in to sign the deals as soon as we'd left. Which practically would have meant 4th January 2021.

I just love the way we sacrifice £1000 to get £100 back and then the Brexiters boast about what can only be described as damage limitation. What a pity they don't put that energy into running the country - getting their track and trace system up and running effectively might have been a good use of time. Sorting out schooling also would have repaid effort.

Clavinova · 12/01/2021 11:57

So these magnificent trade deals might be negotiated next year? 2022.

2021 - my post quotes November - next year is now this year.

DGRossetti · 12/01/2021 15:43

While I probably need to grow up, I also probably won't.

Why does everyone hate Boris?
Clavinova · 12/01/2021 15:53

DGRossetti

Was the dad wearing a Momentum T-shirt? Grin

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