Why does everyone hate Boris?

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Just that really. I neither like nor dislike him I don't feel any emotion towards him.
AIBU to ask why so many people on here hate/dislike Boris Johnson?

I don't think Remainers did sleepwalk into Brexit. We had huge propaganda and lies before hand from the Leave side, with a poor case by the official Remain side. After that petitions and protest did no good whatever, we were told it was the will of the people and we were denying democracy. In recent days our peaceful protests have been compared with the Trumpites who stormed the Capitol saying that the election was stolen. We didn't storm Westminster after the 2019 election. We accepted that the result gave Johnson a mandate for Brexit and since he didn't define it, it had to be assumed that the Brexit voters were happy with whatever he came up with. Now it turns out that quite a number aren't.

I don't think Remainers did sleepwalk into Brexit.

What more could we have done ?

We had huge propaganda and lies before hand from the Leave side, with a poor case by the official Remain side.

I don't think the Remain campaign could have been any more without descending into lies itself.

And the reason the house of Brexit is so shaky (hence operation Bleach) is the winners damn well know it was bought by lying to the electorate. In general I can take the Tories winning against Labour or vice versa in an election. But I still do not accept the Brexit that was bought by lies.

I can't but help with Operation Bleach that there will be an awful lot of printed law books on lawyers shelves which will say what the Act said when it was passed - however much Johnson lies and swears that it hasn't been changed.

Additionally - the things that were bonuses of being in the EU were taken as read - e.g. from Daniel "No one's talking of Leaving the Single Market Hannan.

@Peregrina

I can't but help with Operation Bleach that there will be an awful lot of printed law books on lawyers shelves which will say what the Act said when it was passed - however much Johnson lies and swears that it hasn't been changed.

And ?

Doesn't really matter what the books on shelves say if no one reads them. Bearing in mind the Boris Bigl(ie) method. Just spout bollocks knowing damn well your supporters won't check, and will also decry anyone who does check.

Loads of books on shelves detailing the horrors of the final solution. Yet there are still millions of people who will never read them and simply believe the people that say it didn't happen.

See also: Moon Landing.

Very difficult for Remain to have countered the lies told on single market access and Johnsons "People will be able to study work and live in europe as before"

Once folk form beliefs and feelings, its impossible to counter these with facts, they don't want to know, on here it was all "Project fear" and "They need us more than we need them"

Just take a look at Trump supporters? even when presented with overwhelming evidence they are wrong, its countered with "Deep state" conspiracies or as DRG points out, Holocaust deniers.

longwayoff
Well, I'm shocked. I distinctly recall Clavinova assuring me, by way of lots of C and P for a completely different area, that the local arrangements for Brexit lorries, announced by Highways and our local council wouldn't be happening.. Perhaps Clavinova can get in touch with Gove and let him know how wrong he is, I'm sure he'd appreciate it as much as I do.

You have misrepresented our exchanges.

In the original exchange (2019), you posted;
"a few miles of which near...has been altered with half the dual carriageway being allocated as a lorry park. This would be for traffic arriving via..."

I posted;
"The holding areas in...are for outgoing HGVs, exporting to the EU, not for incoming vehicles (as far as I can make out)."
Then I quoted a short paragraph confirming that preparatory work had been completed.

In the later exchange (a year later) - the one you are referring to now (which you also addressed to me) - you didn't specify which area of the country you lived in and I didn't check. I assumed it was Kent. I copied a very small amount of text from Kent County Council's Brexit Preparedness Update in reply to your post, not "lots of C and P".

I didn't claim that "the local arrangements for Brexit lorries, announced by Highways and [your] local council wouldn't be happening" - rather I was posting that county councils and Highways England were making arrangements [e.g. lorry parks] to mitigate against any traffic build-up caused by Brexit lorries. It was claimed in Kent, for example, that local schoolchildren wouldn't be able to reach their schools because of Brexit lorries.

An unexpected addition (in your area as well, I assume) are the delays caused by lorry drivers waiting for coronavirus tests before they head off to France.

rather I was posting that county councils and Highways England were making arrangements [e.g. lorry parks] to mitigate against any traffic build-up caused by Brexit lorries.

Sorry, why should there be any hold up? Brexit was all gain or so we were told.

@Peregrina

rather I was posting that county councils and Highways England were making arrangements [e.g. lorry parks] to mitigate against any traffic build-up caused by Brexit lorries.

Sorry, why should there be any hold up? Brexit was all gain or so we were told.

Bing !

I don't think Remainers did sleepwalk into Brexit.

They clearly weren't paying attention:

22 Feb 2016;
EU referendum: Ukip leader Nigel Farage says he doesn't want to be part of the European Single Market.

www.cityam.com/eu-referendum-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-he-doesnt-want-to-be-part-of-the-european-single-market/

8 May 2016;
Michael Gove says leaving EU would mean quitting single market.

www.ft.com/content/0c5c74bc-151e-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e

May 9, 2016 - Boris Johnson’s speech on the EU referendum;

"What the government wants is for us to remain locked into the Single Market law-making regime, and to be exposed to 2500 new EU regulations a year. What we want is for Britain to be like many other countries in having free-trade access to the territory covered by the Single Market–but not to be subject to the vast, growing and politically-driven empire of EU law."

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/05/boris-johnsons-speech-on-the-eu-referendum-full-text.html

12 June 2016;
David Cameron confirmed Sunday that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.

He said the Brexit campaign had made it clear to voters that voting to leave also meant pulling out of the single market.

www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

@Peregrina

rather I was posting that county councils and Highways England were making arrangements [e.g. lorry parks] to mitigate against any traffic build-up caused by Brexit lorries.

Sorry, why should there be any hold up? Brexit was all gain or so we were told.

In case of teething troubles. As it happened, they weren't really necessary in the end (the BBC came up with a few images of queues from September or whenever the last time the French port workers went on strike). Quite useful though when Macron unilaterally blocked accompanied freight in December though, despite Belgium, The Netherlands and Eire keeping freight moving.

Sorry, why should there be any hold up? Brexit was all gain or so we were told.

The lorry parks referred to were to mitigate against lorry drivers turning up at the ports with incomplete paperwork (initial teething problems) - and also to contain extra lorries avoiding the usual route to Dover (because of all the fuss about possible delays there). Now we have coronavirus tests - every driver has to be tested and wait for the result.

The lorry parks referred to were to mitigate against lorry drivers turning up at the ports with incomplete paperwork (initial teething problems) - and also to contain extra lorries avoiding the usual route to Dover (because of all the fuss about possible delays there). Now we have coronavirus tests - every driver has to be tested and wait for the result.

So by February there will be no paperwork caused queues

And by June the COVID problem will be receding

So those concreted fields will be dug back up and returned to pasture ?

You REALLY think that the Clearance queues will go away?

Pity no one told Daniel 'No one is talking about leaving the single market' Hannon what they said. He was quite right to state that because the Tory Manifesto of 2015 contained a commitment to the Single Market.

@Peregrina

Pity no one told Daniel 'No one is talking about leaving the single market' Hannon what they said. He was quite right to state that because the Tory Manifesto of 2015 contained a commitment to the Single Market.

Arguably negated by their 2017 election "win".

True DGR but not negated on the day he said in on the night after the result in 2016.

DGRossetti
This Michael Gove?

This Macron?

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/body-politic-trump-puts-personal-touch-diplomacy-macron-n868771

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/they-held-hands-they-kissed-and-that-was-the-men-macronmeetstrump-62xhqvtmx

@Peregrina

True DGR but not negated on the day he said in on the night after the result in 2016.

And it's immaterial anyway. Even if there were an appetite to hold anyone accountable for their lies, it won't reverse the outcome.

But a generation has learned and seen how to play the game. Those times ain't gonna get any less interesting any time soon.

[quote Clavinova]DGRossetti
This Michael Gove?

This Macron?

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/body-politic-trump-puts-personal-touch-diplomacy-macron-n868771

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/they-held-hands-they-kissed-and-that-was-the-men-macronmeetstrump-62xhqvtmx[/quote]
No, this Gove

Now in the old days, before 'tinernet, such pictures could just be suppressed, or as we saw with Stalinism, people got airbrushed out of pictures. Sometimes they did a poor job and airbrushed the head and shoulders out, but left an extra pair of feet in the picture.

Pity about that Govey - there you were up Trump's arse and he LOST.

If anyone wants to come back and squirrel again by talking about someone else ... well there are plenty more copies where that came from.

So those concreted fields will be dug back up and returned to pasture?

The area of pasture in Kent already had planning consent for commercial use - the locals were on borrowed time. February 2016;

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/19/locals-fear-amazon-project-could-bring-a-giant-warehouse-to-kent-village

DGRossetti
If anyone wants to come back and squirrel again by talking about someone else ... well there are plenty more copies where that came from.

Plenty more bromance photos of Macron and Trump as well.

The Netherlands and Eire keeping freight moving.

Sorry, where?

Or do you just mean Ireland?

I don't hate Boris.

However, we have had some terrible PM's. I can't think of one good one in my lifetime. He is no better or worse than any of the rest of them. I do like Boris's enthusiasm and vision for the country and I actually think he is right. I think if you let him crack on with his plans for the country we would be in a much better place than now in 10 years time. I didn't live here for 17 years and can see first hand that everyone (in the UK) is very negative about our ability as a country.

Do you really think if Diane Abbott and JeremyC were running the country with Covid and Brexit we would be better off? I really don't think so. JC would be saying it wasn't fair on the rest of the world to have the vaccine first and he wouldn't put Brits first, only his own far left agenda.