Why does everyone hate Boris?

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Just that really. I neither like nor dislike him I don't feel any emotion towards him.
AIBU to ask why so many people on here hate/dislike Boris Johnson?

What vision is this please?

And yes, I do think that Corbyn might have done a better job with Covid - he wouldn't have put so much public money in the way of his failing cronies.

@Clavinova

DGRossetti If anyone wants to come back and squirrel again by talking about someone else ... well there are plenty more copies where that came from.

Plenty more bromance photos of Macron and Trump as well.

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I do like Boris's enthusiasm and vision for the country and I actually think he is right. I think if you let him crack on with his plans for the country we would be in a much better place than now in 10 years time
What plans? he just talks in vague terms about being better......

Do you really think if Diane Abbott and JeremyC were running the country with Covid and Brexit we would be better off? I really don't think so. JC would be saying it wasn't fair on the rest of the world to have the vaccine first and he wouldn't put Brits first, only his own far left agenda

With the UKs death toll and infection rates, Nightingales built for PR purposes, plus the cronyism of contracts worth billions to friends/party members, its hard to imagine he could be worse, JC would have certainly been more genuinely concerned for the plight of the ordinary citizen, so we would have had more help for BAME and deprived communities, often where infection is highest.

I think johnson is still wedded to Herd Immunity but at a level the NHS can just about cope with.

I refer all lorry deniers to the current item on C4 news.

DGRossetti

At least Michael Gove has a smile on his face - Jeremy Corbyn's sour face used to suck the joy out of everything.

@Clavinova

DGRossetti

At least Michael Gove has a smile on his face - Jeremy Corbyn's sour face used to suck the joy out of everything.

Crumbs Clav, Crumbs..... You can do better than that :)

And he wasn't alone in that . . .

What is his vision please? A couple of bullet points will do.

@CaptainSandy

But hey, Boris, what a guy, what a laff, on telly an everthing innit?

Crumbs Clav, Crumbs.....You can do better than that

Keir Starmer needs to practice smiling in the mirror and be a bit more like Tony Blair was when he was younger?

Enthusiasm is one of Boris Johnson's good qualities (I agree with TwentyTwentyOne) - that and a positive outlook.

Anyone would think that some of the posters on this thread are willing the UK to fail - very odd. I think it was LBC presenter Maajid Nawaz I was listening to 10 days ago who pointed this out to a number of his callers - why did they want Brexit to fail if they are living here?

Perhaps we will join CPTPP first in any case if Biden isn't keen on a free trade deal -

15 December;
[Liz] Truss said it’s Britain’s 7th deal [Mexico] with a member of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), adding “I look forward to the UK applying early next year to join CPTPP.”

The CPTPP entered into force on Dec. 30, 2018 for Australia, Canada, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand and Singapore, and on Jan.14, 2019 for Vietnam. It will enter into force for Brunei, Chile, Malaysia and Peru 60 days after they complete their respective ratification processes.

oriental.news/2020/12/15/uk-mexico-sign-tade-deal-as-brexit-transition-period-draws-to-a-close/

When you’re citing “enthusiasm”, “positive outlook” and “smiling” as redeeming qualities then the barrel is being well and truly scraped.

I’d rather see competence and gravitas.

Perhaps we will join CPTPP first in any case if Biden isn't keen on a free trade deal -

Why should a country chose to sacrifice sovereignty to a group of countries literally across the other side of the world, when they are not prepared to do so with countries on the doorstep? Or could it just be that Australia, Canada and New Zealand are White Commonwealth and Malaysia and Singapore were colonies?

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

I don't hate him. I think he's way out of his depth though. He might have been a good 'peacetime' PM. But not for the current situation.

A good peacetime PM - he might have made an adequate kids' TV presenter in the 70s but anything beyond that is down to mummy and daddy's money and old school tie arse-snogging.

SabrinaThwaite
I’d rather see competence and gravitas.

Boris Johnson clearly has those qualities as well otherwise he wouldn't have got a Brexit deal over the line.

Whereas Starmer can't make a decision when actually put to the test;

www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/12/14/starmer-urges-leaders-to-try-to-keep-schools-open-as-khan-backs-early-closure/

People have always asked me, why do you hate Johnson. It makes me laugh. Ha! I don’t hate Johnson. I don’t give a shit about Johnson. I hate the things he does, sure. I hate the way he behaves. I hate his personality and his appearance. But hate Johnson himself ? No, sir. Wouldn’t give him the satisfaction.

Boris Johnson clearly has those qualities as well otherwise he wouldn't have got a Brexit deal over the line.

Now I know you’re having a laugh.

Johnson wouldn’t know what gravitas was if it bit him on the arse.

Anyone would think that some of the posters on this thread are willing the UK to fail - very odd. I think it was LBC presenter Maajid Nawaz I was listening to 10 days ago who pointed this out to a number of his callers - why did they want Brexit to fail if they are living here

I can't get bicycle supplies (components and clothing) from Germany, in fact there are shortages now with UK shops too and they shot up in price.
Recently my local supermarket seems to have a few empty shelves... covid, brexit, seasonal....?

Brexit is/will reduce trade with europe, it makes travel harder and less spontaneous... even in your tory focused world, do you see that as a good thing?

Johnson does not do
facts
detail
responsibility
empathy
attention
care
honesty
integrity

all of which I'd quite like in a Government leader

Boris Johnson clearly has those qualities as well otherwise he wouldn't have got a Brexit deal over the line

Whereas Starmer can't make a decision when actually put to the test

You mean the test Johnson couldn't pass on the 3/4th January.... schools are safe... 5th January ....Schools are a hot bed of infection and must close! johnson is an idiot and deal is a Joke, one that destroys trade in return for nothing.

metro.co.uk/2021/01/03/boris-says-schools-are-safe-and-children-should-go-back-where-open-13839321/

Why should a country chose to sacrifice sovereignty to a group of countries literally across the other side of the world

I see that Liz Truss has anticipated your question;
Speech Global Britain and the CPTPP
Published 3 July 2020

This to me is about strengthening the group of countries that believe in free trade but also believe in the rules-based global system.

It’s important that we make sure we gain and keep the support of the British public for those trade deals we’re looking to strike. They must benefit British jobs, families and businesses.

We won’t compromise on our high food standards and they must share wealth across our country as part of our levelling up agenda.

I also think it’s important to recognise these benefits we could gain by joining CPTPP that wouldn’t have been able to access as a member of the European Union. We would be able to accede to this agreement in ways that doesn’t damage our national sovereignty.

There is no ECJ and there is no harmonisation of domestic regulation and there is no seizing of our sovereign power. What is allows us to do is to be part of a modern, rules-based free trade area.

It enables us to sign up to advanced digital provisions. In effect, become part of a digital free trade area and I think that is incredibly important for the UK.

We are third in the world in terms of the number of our billion dollar tech companies, after the US and China. It is a real comparative advantage for us.

The fact is that services and digital trade, we haven’t seen the progress that we should have done at the World Trade Organisation.

The rule book was invented in 1995 before this trade was fully developed and it hasn’t yet moved forward sufficiently.

I believe that by becoming part of CPTPP and by signing up to these advanced agreements in areas like services and digital, we will help push the World Trade Organisation to adopt new rules and modernise its rulebook, particularly in these types of areas.

Of course, we want to see a reformed WTO. We want to see leadership which promotes those ideas but at the same time we need to pursue the plurilateral approach to put pressure on that organisation to reform.

CPTPP is very much part of that plan.

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/global-britain-and-the-cptpp

At the last moment, Johnson got a thin deal, otherwise known as a bad deal over the line, which is acknowledged as betraying the people i.e. fishermen that he was supposedly most concerned about. Is that something to boast about? It's a bit like going to the bank for a £10,000 loan and coming away with £500.

In the Tory focused world, running across the world for a trade deal which is worse or no better than the one you had, is absolutely wonderful.

Mumsnet is predominately to the left so obviously a lot of people on here hate him. I think he’s no worse than others we’ve had, and a lot better than a Corbyn run government would have been.

I like him he has acted like a Churchill in these unprecedentedly times. He's a good PM in my eyes & what else is there......an antisemitic no competition.
I was a staunch Labour supporter but they are all public school boys now!

Recently my local supermarket seems to have a few empty shelves... covid, brexit, seasonal....?

I went to my local supermarket this morning - no empty shelves at all.

Do you mean Liz Truss the remainer?

I am backing remain as I believe it is in Britain's economic interest and means we can focus on vital economic and social reform at home

or does she just say the first think that comes into her head? bit like her boss.