Why does everyone hate Boris?

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Just that really. I neither like nor dislike him I don't feel any emotion towards him.
AIBU to ask why so many people on here hate/dislike Boris Johnson?

@wigornian

Because this is MN, largely a left wing echo chamber.

Except some Conservative supporters are also sick of him (hate is a very strong word and most people probably don't fell quite that strongly).

I've seen plenty of supporters of the government on here though, so I can't say that I agree re the echo chamber comment either.

His morals and values make him a complete c
A lack of morals combined with intelligence can result in someone who understands very well that you catch more flies with honey

@Yohoheaveho

His morals and values make him a complete c A lack of morals combined with intelligence can result in someone who understands very well that you catch more flies with honey

That's very well put.

@wigornian

Because this is MN, largely a left wing echo chamber.

The general election result was proof if proof were needed that the overwhelming left wing bias on MN is completely out of step with reality.

There was little in the way of EU/UK negotiations between May taking over in July 2016 and May 2017.

May stood in front of the country for 3 years claiming she was doing one thing while doing the opposite. For one thing, she who tried to give the EU its "backstop", but refused to countenance us having one of our own!

The general election result was proof if proof were needed that the overwhelming left wing bias on MN is completely out of step with reality. I agree MrsMiaWallis. I think this is true of all social media in general.

This is why I balk so much at claims like : Brexit voters are racists who fell for a pack of lies and Jeremy Corbyn was a victim of a Tory smear campaign.

@lovelemoncurd

I can't be arsed to read or watch news and form my own opinion!

You are brain dead op. I can't be bothered to tell you and I'm not sure you could even process the response!

Lovely comment. Thank you!!

If MN is left wing, it's probably because it's London centric.

Boris did not invent Brexit - that's plainly absurd. As much as some people dont wish to talk about Labour's failings as a political force - it's unavoidable. The Tories were the custodians of Brexit due to the lack of a credible opposition.

a-moral, selfish and self serving, horrifically poor leader. and on and on...

@Jaypreen

Boris did not invent Brexit - that's plainly absurd. As much as some people dont wish to talk about Labour's failings as a political force - it's unavoidable. The Tories were the custodians of Brexit due to the lack of a credible opposition.

A Brexit they wanted, let's not forget. It wasn't a mystery prize in a raffle, even if it's just as worthless.

The general election result was proof if proof were needed that the overwhelming left wing bias on MN is completely out of step with reality

More nonsense.

The Tories got 43% of the vote, the majority in this country voted centre/centre left.
Just the Lab/LD vote was more than the Cons got.

Tories have an 80 seat majority because of our FPTP system, exactly the same as Blair won a majority of seats but did not get a majority of the electorate, Blair also received 43% but got a 165 seat majority... the system is a crazy way to hold an election.

MN reflects this and in no way is there an overwhelming left wing bias, the anti tory sentiment is because of the pandemic and Johnsons handling of it, add in the reality of brexit and its hardly surprising people are critical.

TBF Starmer seems to get little support.

Some of them wanted. Not by any means all...

At the very least the Tories built a collective front on the issue. Unlike Labour lying about their position on Brexit using 'constructive ambiguity'. That means different wings of the Labour party were forever saying opposite things. It was inevitable the Tories were going to be the ones to deliver Brexit.

@Jaypreen

There was little in the way of EU/UK negotiations between May taking over in July 2016 and May 2017.

May stood in front of the country for 3 years claiming she was doing one thing while doing the opposite. For one thing, she who tried to give the EU its "backstop", but refused to countenance us having one of our own!

Yes she did for 2.5 years AFTER her disastrous 2017 election.

there was no backstop in may 2017, it hadn't been negotiated.

MN reflects this and in no way is there an overwhelming left wing bias Oh come off it.

At the very least the Tories built a collective front on the issue

they only did that after taking the whip away from 30 MPs, the tories were split apart before the GE of 2019, hence 4 years of bickering with all parties trying to appease their differing wings.

The Brexit the tories "delivered" is a fucking a disaster, UK and EU companies are finding its a nightmare to deal with each other or as one German company said "we will now source what we got from the UK from elsewhere"
Less security cooperation, no agreements on foreign policy & defence, nothing on education and a GHIC which is less Global than the EHiC!
On tourism, we face more delays, expense, limited travel, retirees can't move to the EU, 500k 2nd home owners can't use their asset (and no they are not all rich my any means)

Johnsons Brexit deal has zero gains.

@derxa

MN reflects this and in no way is there an overwhelming left wing bias Oh come off it.

You are mistaking criticism of Johnson for "left wing bias"

i would say there are many hard right wing posters on here, far more than there is leftwing posters, few express support for Momentum/Corbynite policies and todays Labour party is hardly "leftwing" if the tories weren't so far to the right (with policies more in line with FN AFD) Labour would be seen as a centre right party.

You are mistaking criticism of Johnson for "left wing bias" I've been posting here for years and the default setting is 'Fuck the Tories'.

MN reflects this and in no way is there an overwhelming left wing bias

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The clear and obvious truth is the Cons displayed by far and away the most consistent message on Brexit. Labour's "constructive ambiguity" made their victory inevitable. I'm no fan of Johnson or Cummins but I think it's delusional to think that those two convinced the country of anything .. they knew which way the wind was blowing and harnessed it to take it in the direction it needed to go. This 'thick plebs voted the wrong way due to outside influence' mantra has taken remainers nowhere and needs to stop.The wish to leave the EU was growing and growing for many years before the ref' was even announced - it's why Cameron decided to hold it in the first place. He, foolishly and wrongly, thought the issue could be 'nipped in the bud'. If you doubt this, you have to ask yourself why UKIP did so well in the 2014 EU elections.

You can slice and dice the percentages of previous elections to say whatever you like about the FPTP system. You refereed to May's 2017 election victory as a "disaster", yet May got the highest share of the vote of any Tory leader since Margaret Thatcher in 1983. In fact she got the same share of the vote as did Margaret Thatcher in that election. The Tory vote in2017 was just about saturated. There were hardly any more Tory votes to be had.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results

To me it's obvious that there's an anti-Tory consensus on this forum. Not that that bothers me...

MN is far more left wing

The Labour Party have been predicted to win a landslide in every GE since I’ve been on here (thats from Blair days)

We have also had many agreeing that Boris would never be PM, that he was about to resign numerous time’s and so on

The problem In recent years is the left wing seem to take more notice of what is being posted online which they engage with which also happens to be left wing if we really want change there needs to be engagement with those who’s politics you don’t agree with. Left wing politics had become so closed and often so self righteous any hint of well maybe we do need to discuss immigration or maybe some voted leave as the way things have been for them for years hasn’t worked (Remain with what we have - no thanks) is shouted down as racist Tory supporter

There are plenty of vociferous BoZo supporters on here. Any thread about his mismanagement of the pandemic is instantly swarmed with his 'he's only doing his best' apologists, failing to comprehend that if this is his best, then he needs to hand over to somebody better / more capable.

Too many people seem to view politics like a football game: you have to support your chosen side, even if they're being shit! It's OK to think that the party you voted for is failing the country and wonder what the fuck they're doing.

But if 57% of the nation didn't vote Conservative, then the fact that many MN posters see themselves as left of the Tories isn't really a surprise. It's basic maths.

57% of the nation didn't vote Conservative

That's as maybe, but you certainly don't see 43% of posters on MN, supporting The Conservatives come what may, do you ?

Too many people seem to view politics like a football game. I'm not so sure it's the majority that see things this way.

But if it is the case then I think it's likely to be a result of there being an even less credible opposition to vote for. People switch teams anyway. The Red Wall is a prime example.

I see plenty. I don't keep a tally, however!

But you raise another point...why should voters support the party they vote for 'come what may'? That's the 'football team politics' I raised above. Surely anybody who's capable of critical thinking is also capable of criticising their previously-chosen party?

Actually, I see more BoZo / Tory voters supporting him come what may than other party's voters (though the far left / Corbyn fanatics run them close, for balance, but I don't see as many of those around).

I've voted all round the political spectrum; I'm very much a floating voter. I find unconditional support for any party quite bemusing.