Why does everyone hate Boris?

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Just that really. I neither like nor dislike him I don't feel any emotion towards him.
AIBU to ask why so many people on here hate/dislike Boris Johnson?

itsgettingweird

BBC 9 December 2012;

Gay marriage: Boris Johnson and Michael Gove give backing.

A campaign group backing same-sex marriage has been launched by senior Conservative MPs and peers.

In a Sunday Telegraph letter the group, which includes Education Secretary Michael Gove, said religious bodies should be able to conduct gay marriages but should not be compelled to do so. ...

Mr Gove and London Mayor Boris Johnson are among 19 senior figures who have signed the letter calling for marriage to be open to all, regardless of sexuality.

The group, known as Freedom to Marry, was put together by former police minister Nick Herbert.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20656207

Boris is one person, and it's easy for everyone to pick apart what his motives are, what his plans and schedules are for different things ect, but as I am sure some of you have seen, eg shows like the commander in chief, the west wing, and various other political dramas, who knows what battles he has behind the scenes in the corridors of Whitehall and with other various groups, ect, it seems these days everyone likes to offer there view, but does anyone consider what other factors may be influencing his actions ect ?

@ motherrunner I’m a teacher. He’s a Tory. Enough said.

Johnson has made a tough situation for schools even worse by putting grossly incompetent, whip wielding, Gavin Williamson in charge of education - another of his shit decisions.

@Jaypreen @SausageCrush No-one would have got everything right in pandemic management but Johnson's indecisiveness and delay (latest example primary school return this week) have actually worsened things. To their credit, testing does seem to be working better now (at least anecdotally nobody I know is being sent across the country for tests now and turn around of results seem faster).

I just dont see how anyone can think Johnson is the best man for the job leading the UK through a pandemic - clear messaging and taking unpopular decisions in the public interest is just not his forte. I also think he hasn't got the foresight needed - does anyone think they are actually coming up with a plan to make schools safer which would allow them to reopen and which they will communicate to parents and schools in good time (e.g. not the night before!?)

Johnson was blindsided by COVID

but he CREATED Brexit
and will always be utterly culpable for the damage that
Brexit
during COVID will do to the UK

No-one would have got everything right in pandemic management I agree with this. But that doesn't answer the question of who would the majority of people trust to do a better job? If it wasn’t Johnson it would have been Corbyn.

But it isn't Corbyn.
Because Corbyn lost to a liar.

If the liar had not lied as much as he does
Brexit would not have happened
AND
The Pandemic Team would not have been disbanded in 2016
AND
The NHS would not have been as short staffed as it is
AND
Corbyn is an arse
but chances are his team would not have been as shit as the likes of Raab and Hancock and Williamson and Gove

BJ wanted the job so lets not waste our energy feeling sorry for him.

Hancock is bad joke.

Corbyn and team would not have been good.

I wonder who would win now out of Starmer and Johnson if we had an election. I wonder who will in future. Labour still have up hill battle despite all the dislike for Cons.

@Jaypreen

No-one would have got everything right in pandemic management I agree with this. But that doesn't answer the question of who would the majority of people trust to do a better job? If it wasn’t Johnson it would have been Corbyn.

Very true, that was choice in 2020, the printed media did a number on Corbyn/Labour... as they always try to do, though JC had plenty of bullets in his arsenal for them to fire back at him.

But Johnson won, i doubt he thought a pandemic would come along but he did engineer Brexit and that is right now, doing real harm to free trade between the EU and the UK.

On top of dealing with CV, i hope is seeking to renegotiate aspects of his deal.... somehow, i doubt it.

I think JC should come back as leader of the Labour Party and have a go 😎👍👍👍👍

He would do no better IMHO

Unfortunately we do not have a system which permits people to come back and have a go.

I think you're being a tad hysterical. Both sides pushed credibility during the Brexit ref.

Are you claiming that everyone who voted in favour of Brexit swallowed a pack of "lies"? Unlike remain of course....

MarshaBradyo. Conservatives would win hands down imo.
While Labour continues its policies of race-hustling, London-centrism, sneering at Britain and Brexit voters and gazing up to the EU it's almost irrelevant what the Tories do. Labour will remain merely the most 'successful' of a group of parties that vy with each other for who can be the least electable.

I'm no Tory or Boris fan, btw.

Corbyn and team would not have been good

10 years of tory austerity, which we all voted for 3x has much to blame but its hard to imagine that we would be in a worse position on deaths and infections.

However, the Tories did well with vaccines, so they might well redeem themselves, uphill task to get to 2m per week and 14m done by mid Feb but i am praying that they can do it.

I think JC should come back as leader of the Labour Party and have a go

The man who delivered Labour's worst election defeat since the 1935? Are you quite serious?

JC also almost won in 2017......

I think the Get Brexit Done slogan was genius, people i know who are ardent remainers voted tory, they had had enough of the division in Parliament and weak govt.

They regret their vote now though, usually hidden behind "Well, the choice was Corbyn or Boris"

In an alternative universe We could have had Rebecca long Bailey in charge
I think John McDonnell would actually have made a good pandemic chancellor mostly as it involves splashing the cash but although I feel positive about Keir ( he needs to get a bit of charisma and stop acting like a disappointed teacher so much) the labour shadow cabinet is dreadful. I don’t think Angela Raynor is in the least bit impressive, she seems like a student activist to me and I heard the shadow health minister on the radio this morning, can’t remember his name now but his main point was the Gov needs to roll out the vaccine

JC also almost won in 2017......

The Tories under Theresa May were a total disaster at that time. Labour should have won that election easily.

@Jaypreen No-one would have got everything right in pandemic management I agree with this. But that doesn't answer the question of who would the majority of people trust to do a better job? If it wasn’t Johnson it would have been Corbyn.

Looking forwards not backwards if I was a member of the Conservative party I would be looking for another leader. I would also be giving Gavin Williamson, Grant Shapps and Priti Patel their cards. I was no fan of Hunt but he’d be better in a crisis I think and more decisive. Oh and Jacob Rees-Mogg would be locked in a dungeon and never allowed to speak publicly again.

This is the Government we have so we need it to be the best Tory MPs dealing with the crisis.

I don’t think Angela Raynor is in the least bit impressive, she seems like a student activist to me

....and what exactly is wrong with student activists????

John Ashworth is very good, ties up that Hancock quite easily and has been ahead of the govt curve on lockdowns and tier restrictions.

Funnily enough, when he was in the Corbyn shadow cabinet, i thought he was useless, obv didn't support comrade Corbyn.

If it wasn’t Johnson it would have been Corbyn.

That would have been awkward;

Piers Corbyn uses megaphone to blast the ‘Covid con’ to throng of supporters outside court.

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/piers-corbyn-trial-court-lockdown-protest-b80140.html

In his speech Piers Corbyn, a prominent anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist, chanted 'freedom, freedom' and said 'we are at war with vaccinations'.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/jeremy-corbyns-brother-piers-leads-19447720

[quote Clavinova]itsgettingweird

BBC 9 December 2012;

Gay marriage: Boris Johnson and Michael Gove give backing.

A campaign group backing same-sex marriage has been launched by senior Conservative MPs and peers.

In a Sunday Telegraph letter the group, which includes Education Secretary Michael Gove, said religious bodies should be able to conduct gay marriages but should not be compelled to do so. ...

Mr Gove and London Mayor Boris Johnson are among 19 senior figures who have signed the letter calling for marriage to be open to all, regardless of sexuality.

The group, known as Freedom to Marry, was put together by former police minister Nick Herbert.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20656207[/quote]
But he declined to vote on it in parliament.

@jasjas1973

JC also almost won in 2017......

I think the Get Brexit Done slogan was genius, people i know who are ardent remainers voted tory, they had had enough of the division in Parliament and weak govt.

They regret their vote now though, usually hidden behind "Well, the choice was Corbyn or Boris"

I'm one of those.

But I really did think at the time it was the best thing despite not being a Boris fan. I wish I'd had a crystal ball about the pandemic as I'd never have trusted him to do that before he fucked it up!

I just think Jeremy and piers would have been a different pantomine as opposed to Boris and Cummings .

A German wrote a book about this type of politics, Boris and Trump (with the help of Bannon) have followed it to the letter.

@Jaypreen that was a quote from 1943, Johnson is quite like Churchill.
History has been kind to Churchill, my grandmother disagreed

@itsgettingweird

I just think Jeremy and piers would have been a different pantomine as opposed to Boris and Cummings .

Cummings had and perhaps still has, real power, Piers is an idiot & JC isn't responsible for his brother, anymore than Bojo is for his father or Rachel and Jo Johnson's views...very different from Bojo's.