Capitol Hill and the next 2 weeks (Trump #118)

[Roussette]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4128051-Coup-on-Capitol-Hill-Trump-117

Fast moving threads....

CaveMum

@Roussette

Thank you Bruce. You said what I was too wimpy to say! Greasy roots, too thick false eyelashes so she looked like she'd been give two black eyes, a complete mess. I wonder if we will see her ever again?

I know, I shouldn't judge a professional woman by her appearance but McNinny is such an apologist that all bets are off. Her delivery was way off, she's normally very fluent. She was very staccato, and sounded furious. Not furious about what happened last night, more like she didn't want to read what she'd been given. The are several possible reasons why she didn't like the script

I agree in inauguration could potentially be dangerous.

It's very frightening.

America prides itself on being leader of the free world.

But how much freedom is too much?

I'm not particularly shocked at Graham being gay (although very sorry for him if he's having to hide it).

But if he's blackmailable about it, surely there's a permanent state? If he was blackmailable yesterday, he's blackmailable today.

Yet today he turns on Trump's legal team? If anyone's going to reveal him out of pure spite, it's Trump.

Call me cynical, but i feel like Republicans are only taking Trump's words, threats, supporters seriously now that their OWN lives have been threatened.

They have changed their tune for the moment to a large extent because they have seen that the Trump lies weren't bought in Georgia and because that phone call between Trump and Raffensperger was so clearly an abuse of power.

If polls start to suggest the lies still have legs in two years time when Mid-term elections are scheduled, then it will be all systems go again.

@PerkingFaintly

I'm not particularly shocked at Graham being gay (although very sorry for him if he's having to hide it).

But if he's blackmailable about it, surely there's a permanent state? If he was blackmailable yesterday, he's blackmailable today.

Yet today he turns on Trump's legal team? If anyone's going to reveal him out of pure spite, it's Trump.

Frankly, I think it's a shame he has to hide 'the love that dare not speak its name'. But that's the price you pay if you decide to hitch your wagon to a homophobic, racist party. Not all the Repugs, but that particular brand that says "You're of use to us, but don't put your 'ways' right in our faces where we have to acknowledge it".

Being 'in the closet' can be a reason for denial of a top level security clearance due to blackmailability. I think one of the reasons Graham's being gay is so poorly 'hidden' is so that he could get that clearance. The granting officials could say "Oh well, everybody already knows" and give it the stamp of approval.

Given Trump has been pondering pardoning himself, how does this work?

Does he have to list everything he is pardoning himself for - ie be specific in case he leaves something out and could be tripped up on in future? Or does he simply say along the lines of “I pardon myself from any future investigation conducted by any agency?”

Would almost be worth it as long as there was a lifelong condition attached that he and his family have to relocate to some tiny uninhabited island with no utilities/internet etc.

This really has been like some crappy jump-the-shark season 113 of Game of Thrones.

@Fredelliottisayfredelliott

Has anyone found anymore info on the other 3 people who died ( apart from Ashli Babbitt) I cant find anything. Also has Ashli Babbitts Twitter account been taken down?

Some stuff here.

www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/capitol-siege-dead-include-ashli-babbitt-kevin-greeson-rosanne-boyland-and-benjamin-phillips/news-story/db804bc03ae8cff5e8613330819ae9f3

As far as the Inauguration, I think it needs to be moved indoors and live streamed. Maybe the Capitol Rotunda or the National Cathedral.

They're already dismantling the bleachers and tickets are only going out to legislators & their families so obviously they're planning on keeping it small. This was in motion before the insurrection yesterday, so was mainly due to Covid.

WTAF is Trump’s latest speech?

He’s now throwing his supporters under the bus!

Anyone looking at the Trump statement on CNN?

It's odd/fake/edited it's bizarre....

That is the most coherent he has sounded during his term. I cannot believe what I just saw.

Look at his neck and shirt collar....

Is that a concession speech?

Agreed, Across, it's appalling he's had to hide it, even if badly.

What you say makes sense about the security clearance, because that's the other thing I couldn't understand.

The flip side of which is that, if he's not blackmailable by Random Bad State, how is him being blackmailed by Team Trump an excuse for his behaviour the last 4 years? And how can it be switched off and on?

Don't know. Sounds like a toxic situation though. God I hate homophobia. So utterly, utterly destructive.

Woah, clearly I'm well behind the curve!

There is no way that's real.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I can spot CGI when I see it.

@DeRigueurMortis

There is no way that's real.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I can spot CGI when I see it.

I was so focussed on what he was saying that I didn’t notice. Have just watched it again and it does look weird!

Not sure if it’s the effect of the pale green screen background against his white shirt (I know nothing about CGI). But it’s definitely weird. He delivered that with no stumbling, mispronounced words, etc. I’ve never heard him speak like that before.

@Furries

Given Trump has been pondering pardoning himself, how does this work?

Does he have to list everything he is pardoning himself for - ie be specific in case he leaves something out and could be tripped up on in future? Or does he simply say along the lines of “I pardon myself from any future investigation conducted by any agency?”

Would almost be worth it as long as there was a lifelong condition attached that he and his family have to relocate to some tiny uninhabited island with no utilities/internet etc.

This really has been like some crappy jump-the-shark season 113 of Game of Thrones.

He'd use the same language as Ford used for Nixon's pardon; "I hereby grant pardon for any and all crimes that were or may have been committed during during (my) presidency".

It's a blanket 'pre-emptive pardon' against all crimes now known and crimes that may be discovered in the future. It doesn't pardon for crimes committed in the future, just the ones no one knows about right now.

So now what?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/533264-pence-opposes-removing-trump-under-25th-amendment-reports

This is what you get when you allow the lunatic to run the asylum, I suppose.

I can't find this statement/video anywhere!

@DeRigueurMortis

There is no way that's real.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I can spot CGI when I see it.

Could someone kindly post a link to that speech? I can't find it. Thank you.

Not sure if it’s the effect of the pale green screen background against his white shirt (I know nothing about CGI). But it’s definitely weird. He delivered that with no stumbling, mispronounced words, etc. I’ve never heard him speak like that before.

No he's never spoken like that before.

I don't think it's real.

Snap, @AcrossthePond55 - so not just me being incompetent at nearly 3.00am!