Carole Middleton the ultimate mum raising a future queen?

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I'm currently reading Harry & Meghan's book Finding Freedom... Meghan's parents particularly Doria have been applauded for putting such an emphasis on Meghan's education, ensuring she got into an expensive Catholic school & ensuring she worked very hard at school...
Surely the Middleton's should get the same praise but they were ridiculed & accused of being upwardly mobile... Kate & Pippa both attended excellent universities so they obviously worked very hard also..
The other parents in the girkd private school weren't too complimentary about Carole either with snipes about the girls uniforms, sports equipment etc too perfect. I reckon the other parents were jealous.
In my opinion Carole has done an amazing job raising out future queen & should be given more credit...

I think any woman who has raised three (seemingly lovely) children whilst building up their own immensely successful business from scratch is to be admired personally. That for me is the ultimate mother!

So that’s the same as every single mother in the history of the planets so there is no ultimate mother then

What your describing is just being a mother not an ultimate mother!

So that’s the same as every single mother in the history of the planets so there is no ultimate mother then

@RizzleDrizzle hardly! Not many mothers manage to create a hugely successful business from scratch!

Dongdingdong it is not "made up tosh" and you clearly have an agenda to defend Kate.

The part about Kate removing the top part of the outfit she'd been given to wear for the fashion show and wearing the skirt part as a dress in order to make it more revealing was confirmed by both the designer and by the owner of the prestigious auction house that ultimately sold the skirt/dress (the designer didn't mind at all as she got loads of PR and ended up selling it for £95k later on).

If you look at the outfit carefully it's very obvious from the shape and the thickness of the band that it's a long skirt which Kate chose to hoik up so the waist of the skirt was over the top of her breasts.

Maybe the mean girl stories are true and maybe they are lies from other female students who were jealous of Kate, or a combination of both. Who can know. But she certainly generated plenty of negativity and dislike during her time as a student. Do you remember when a journalist got access to the private St Andrew's online forum and found tons of negative posts and gossip about Kate? These were being made by people who were verified St A students and the posts were dated to the same time she attended. Yes probably a lot of it was jealousy but it's telling that none of her fellow students were defending her. All those stories plus other stories like her pulling a prank on Beatrice by not telling her the theme for a costume party so she showed up in the wrong outfit, which doesn't make her sound like an especially nice person.

@buttery81

So that’s the same as every single mother in the history of the planets so there is no ultimate mother then

@RizzleDrizzle hardly! Not many mothers manage to create a hugely successful business from scratch!

Many do though!

Many also work 60 hours a week without any child care

Many don’t send their kids to exclusive private schools

Many mothers struggle at the bottom what makes Carole any better than them

I get irritated by the British attitude of hating those who try hard and the idea of not getting ideas above your station. I think that was the root of some of the flack Meghan got - e.g. sending emails at half 5am was seen as pushy, not just normal for a Californian who is probably up doing yoga at that time. Better someone who tries hard rather than being lazy and entitled Boris .I remember Doria getting the 'out of Compton/gangland' stories .

Carole has done well for herself and is to be applauded for her business success. It is a shame that the children didn't have more established careers though. I understand it was difficult for Kate with security, but Pippa could have had a more normal job rather than getting Waitrose magazine columns over established talented food writers. James seems as though he's struggled to find his place but seems to be doing well with his dogs now, which is nice.

@Nikhedonia

I’ve no idea - I don’t follow this stuff just responding to the tone of some of the posts. If she did go to Catholic school (and I thought she was RC?) social responsibility and personal contribution is a big part of the educational landscape.

Oh OP you are hilarious - have you been at the sherry??

@katy1213

Looking at the end product, I think Carole did the better job.

Nope. She taught her daughters to be simpering saps and marry rich men. Doria brought Megan up to be a strong, educated woman with a mind of her own.

What did Kate do, exactly? Obsess over a prince, follow him to the same university and stalk him till he gave in and married her. She did nothing with her life before, just fiddled about with a bit of PR or something. Woohoo! How impressive. What an impressive achievement for a mother.

When did Kate Middleton flash her tits at Uni? If you're referring to that picture then you must have x-Ray vision. Maybe x-Ray vision subscription came with the pearls you're currently clutching?

James really did try hard for us

Doria brought Megan up to be a strong, educated woman with a mind of her own.

No Thomas Markle, her Dad did.

I don't believe Party Pieces was ever a success (the limited financial records they've filed indicate the company barely breaks even), and there have been all kinds of negative stories about PP over the years. The idea of Carole being this amazingly successful businesswoman is a PR invention IMO. The Middleton's money came partly from Kate's dad's inheritance/trust fund and partly from dodgy Uncle Gary, the woman-beater who's been linked to drug dealing and prostitution of women.

Besides Party Pieces has clearly benefited massively from association with Royals, both overtly exploiting and name-dropping the Royal Family (selling royal-branded items and releasing special limited edition product ranges for royal occasions like the Diamond Jubilee, Charlotte's birth and even Archie's birth) and by Carole using her royal connections to do interviews promoting her company providing Party Pieces with millions of pounds worth of free publicity.

Would major magazines and newspapers really put an ordinary mum running a small mail order business if she didn't have royal connections? This is a woman who literally sold "corgi scratchcards" and plastic replica crowns for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, so tacky.

@buttery81

I bet Carole’s house is immaculate and I love the story about the children all being immaculately turned out at school, too. I would love to be like that but just don’t have the willpower!

I bet she throws an incredible dinner party

@ohforasnowyday so what if Party Pieces sold royal themed goods? Are they not allowed simply because they're connected? It's not like they were selling personal effects snagged from the palace. They're a party ware company, they'd be missing a huge trick if they didn't sell royal themed goods around royal events!

Wasn't CM named/thanked by some Torygraph journo as a source of those horrible stories and gossip about Meghan Markle? If true, I don't think that reflects well on her at all to say the least

I remember seeing that too! Was surprised more wasn't made of it.

Maybe x-Ray vision subscription came with the pearls you're currently clutching?

I have no issue with nudity but agreeing to act as a model for a fashion student's university assignment then throwing half the outfit away and dramatically changing the other half just because you want a bloke to notice you, is pretty crappy. Yes it worked out hugely well for both women but what if Kate's stunt hadn't worked? It's really not okay to damage another student's uni assignment for your own agenda.

Can you imagine if someone posted "I like a guy but he ignores me. I agreed to model in an amateur fashion show I know he'll be attending, AIBU to plan to take my outfit off in the wings and go down the catwalk in my undies instead, so he'll notice me?"

It's also pretty crappy that Meghan has been so roundly attacked here and literally called a whore and a slut just because she once did an acting video where she was wearing a white blouse with the ends tied up to reveal her midriff, when Kate pranced around in her underwear just to catch a Prince's attention.

For years I worked in SEN schools.

In terms of “Ultimate Mothers”, I saw at least two dozen far more worthy parents in my time. Including one woman who had adopted three severely disabled children and planned on adopting more, giving up her own chance of a romantic relationship or biological children to raise children with such severe disabilities that they’d never leave home and she’d be caring for them her entire life.. Mums who got beaten up daily, chunks of their hair torn out by their kids but who fought everyday to get them the education and support they needed. Mothers who were refugees. Even mothers who had been heroin addicts who got themselves clean and were trying to keep their babies born addicted alive whilst on methadone and suffering withdrawal themselves but who completely turned their lives around, starting their own businesses, leaving abusive partners, providing their child with a “forever” home when they’d never known one themselves...

I admire those women a hell of a lot more than some woman who just helped her kids to social climb.

Also, there isn’t much “mothering” in paying for your kids to go to boarding school so a bunch of teachers and house-parents can raise them instead.

It's extreme to suggest CM is the ultimate mother. If you think an ultimate mother is someone who sends their daughters to private school and pushes them to marry rich, then that says more about you life goals OP.

CM is new money and it always stood out a mile away. She and Pippa then used Kate marrying Will to keep climbing the ladder. For example, they massively marketed their website on that basis, Pippa had the most ridiculous book on planning parties, they got prime seats at Wimbledon, and so forth.

Doria Ragland carried on working as a social worker and (unless they didn't show it in the UK media), made no attempt to have her face all over the media.

I like Kate and Meghan in their own ways, but it's laughable to suggest that CM is admirable or the "ultimate mum". I'm 100% certain my own mum has achieved more and been through more than CM, and so would other posters!

I mean I wouldn't call her the ultimate mum but she seems quite nice in her way.

It's also pretty crappy that Meghan has been so roundly attacked here and literally called a whore and a slut

On this thread?! I hope you've reported. That's awful.

Wasn't CM named/thanked by some Torygraph journo as a source of those horrible stories and gossip about Meghan Markle? If true, I don't think that reflects well on her at all to say the least.

Last year Byline Times did a big expose with paperwork and copies of bank statements proving that Will and Kate's publicist's partner had received several payments making up thousands of pounds from a known Meghan-hating Daily Mail journalist after he'd published several insider scoops about Harry and Meghan. They all leak to the press.

Also, CM has a reputation for being quite unpleasant to people

Has she? I’ve never heard that.