Carole Middleton the ultimate mum raising a future queen?

[Brightonbabe5]

I'm currently reading Harry & Meghan's book Finding Freedom... Meghan's parents particularly Doria have been applauded for putting such an emphasis on Meghan's education, ensuring she got into an expensive Catholic school & ensuring she worked very hard at school...
Surely the Middleton's should get the same praise but they were ridiculed & accused of being upwardly mobile... Kate & Pippa both attended excellent universities so they obviously worked very hard also..
The other parents in the girkd private school weren't too complimentary about Carole either with snipes about the girls uniforms, sports equipment etc too perfect. I reckon the other parents were jealous.
In my opinion Carole has done an amazing job raising out future queen & should be given more credit...

The monarchy needs to be abolished so no raising a future queen isn't an achievement.

i really can't admire some one who's claim to fame is their dd's "marrying well"

@Samcro

i really can't admire some one who's claim to fame is their dd's "marrying well"

I also have very limited admiration for people who "build their careers" because they can use mummy and daddy's money to piss around and make huge losses in their business.

I think both Carole and Doria did laudable parenting jobs. The gutter press reflect the racism and classism that's sadly very a part of British culture. I don't think Kate is work shy I just think her primary job is to raise the future King and she takes it seriously. She doesn't have to look too far to see the disaster that farming out the raising of children has been for the royals.

@Woahisme
like your Answer !
Good reply to Ops thread
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Carole didn't d herself any favours, she comes across as really pushy

In what way? What did she actually do? Genuine question.

But it's not all Carole has done. She was born in a council flat so the odds were she would not be destined to raise her daughter a future queen & be grandmother to the future king.
My main gripe is that when the press wrote about Meghan's expensive private education (which her dad paid for) it was done in a way that was applauded.
When the press wrote about the Middletons dc private education, it was scathing & made out that it was "contact building". Also other parents had snide comments to make about them.

I don’t believe the changing courses to meet William narrative, she was dating Someone who was considered a great catch.
Pippa and Kate upbringing was carved towards moving in Certain circles and marrying well, If Kate wasn’t dating William I think she would have married someone from that set.

I think Carole and Doria are both admirable. Doria looks like a very kind and gentle soul.

Kate was lucky to be born reasonably intelligent and reasonably attractive and into a clearly stable and loving family - but in reality most of the advantages that Middleton children have had in life are due to the very comfortable financial situation of the family. She was just one of thousands of well-educated, well-groomed and well-mannered teenage girls that William could have met at any prestigious university in the country that year.
I don't know Kate so can't comment on her personality and any inherent natural suitability for the role. The single biggest thing that has, in my opinion, made her suitable for a future Queen is that she and William met so young and effectively she has been "groomed" in royal protocol all her adult life and learned early on never to step out of line.

*They tried this with Diana of course, but the age and cultural gulf between her and the man she was arranged to marry was too big.

The wife of a senior royal male IS a job.

Marry any other multi millionaire in the UK and you never have to work a day in your life. Kate signed up to do the royal balcony/tours/charity visit stuff plus have children and bring them up to be suitable heirs to the Throne. In Kate's case she probably had a clear brief not to make the parenting mistakes that Charles and Diana, and the Queen and Prince Phillip made - so she has focused on being as hands on, as present as she can be, giving them as normal, stable a life as possible, which includes staying married -one hopes the latter is not difficult for her and doesn't require any work.

The only other marriage that requires you to join your husband's line of work that I can think of is perhaps if you marry a vicar, but that is less and less the case these days (anyone read Joanna Trollope's The Rector's Wife?)

Sorry OP a woman who raises her children to never work and dedicate their entire lives to achieve nothing except stalking and chasing wealthy titled husbands is not my idea of a good mother. Ditto one who exploits her daughter's marriage to boost her own business and profile. Both Carole and Pippa seem obsessed with being famous and to push themselves into the media purely off their daughter's marriage.

The way Kate stalked William is insane. Following him on his gap year (Kate visited the same remote part of Chile just weeks after William had left that same area, what are the chances?), applying to and accepting an offer to Edinburgh University when the media said William was going there and even setting up accommodation in Edinburgh then dropping out at the last minute when it was revealed William wasn't going there after all, riskily applying to St Andrew's at the last minute when it was announced William was going there instead. Befriending his friends. Sabotaging a fashion show and flashing her tits to get his attention (Kate was given a long sheer skirt and a sweater to wear, but at the last second as she was waiting to step onto the catwalk she threw off the sweater and hoiked the skirt up over her boobs to turn it into a see-through minidress).

There are so many stories of her being mean and bullying towards other women in William's life, and ensuring she was the only girl around him. So many stories of her making herself compliant and being on-call whenever he wanted her. And of course spending many years not working or pursuing any life for herself in order to sit around and be free whenever he snapped his fingers. When he dumped her and famously jumped on the table shouting "I'M FREE" she acted strategically getting dressed up and calling the paps and Carole invited him to a family party to convince him to get back with her.

Pippa and her mother stalked some aristo guy so badly, including leaking stuff about their "relationship" to the press, the guy's mother had to tell the press there was no relationship.

And for what? Yes Kate might be queen consort one day but she'll actually have to work which she clearly hates (this year it came out that she'd never visited two of her patronages even once since the day she became patron), she's stuck with a husband who looks like a furious baked potato, and has to deal with snobbery and never being accepted in aristo circles and with everyone in aristocratic and media circles gossiping about her and claiming it's an open secret that he cheats on her. Look at how badly William has handled the Rose Hanbury story. He threw a huge tantrum and insisted his "human rights had been violated" over a little article about Kate falling out with a neighbour, and it was that overreaction that made people realise "rural rivals" was code for affair. If William had kept his trap shut the rural rivals article would have vanished without a trace. When Tatler published that horrible Kate-bashing article William used the full force of his legal threats against them but the only part he had them remove was a single paragraph claiming he socialised with Rose Hanbury and didn't bother to remove any of the nasty parts about his own wife. Not really the acts of a caring husband!

I don't know anything about Meghan's mother other than that she's remained discreet and unlike Carole hasn't exploited the marriage or pushed herself into the public eye, and that she raised a daughter who worked hard and built her own career and money. It makes me laugh when people accuse Meghan of trying to snare a prince. Meghan moved to Canada, pursued a career as an actress and made her career her main focus, and romanced and married an unknown producer who at the time of their marriage had barely any CV (she was already starring on Suits when they married). Not exactly the actions of someone determined to marry into the British RF is it?

@Brightonbabe5

I think that Carole did an amazing job as she started as an air stewertess, married Michael, set up a hugely successful business & completely changed her own fortunes. I think it's amazing & she must be an incredible force to be reckoned with. Also to have raised her two daughter's & son to mingle with the royals & the upper echelons of society in such a confident manner is admirable. She has never been given a break or a bit of praise from the press... Michael has escaped unscathed, Pippa has had a torrid time & poor James tried his best with his marshmallows

U okay hun?

@MrsTerryPratchett

In Meghan and Harry’s book (which I suspect is likely to be positive about Meghan and Harry), the praises of Meghan’s mother are sung.

Clearly this. If I was quoted in a book, I'd be nice about my mum. Hardly surprising.

H and M's book apparently ignores her father, the source of the money to enable her mother to give her such a wonderful upbringing.

@ohforasnowyday

Sorry OP a woman who raises her children to never work and dedicate their entire lives to achieve nothing except stalking and chasing wealthy titled husbands is not my idea of a good mother. Ditto one who exploits her daughter's marriage to boost her own business and profile. Both Carole and Pippa seem obsessed with being famous and to push themselves into the media purely off their daughter's marriage.

The way Kate stalked William is insane. Following him on his gap year (Kate visited the same remote part of Chile just weeks after William had left that same area, what are the chances?), applying to and accepting an offer to Edinburgh University when the media said William was going there and even setting up accommodation in Edinburgh then dropping out at the last minute when it was revealed William wasn't going there after all, riskily applying to St Andrew's at the last minute when it was announced William was going there instead. Befriending his friends. Sabotaging a fashion show and flashing her tits to get his attention (Kate was given a long sheer skirt and a sweater to wear, but at the last second as she was waiting to step onto the catwalk she threw off the sweater and hoiked the skirt up over her boobs to turn it into a see-through minidress).

There are so many stories of her being mean and bullying towards other women in William's life, and ensuring she was the only girl around him. So many stories of her making herself compliant and being on-call whenever he wanted her. And of course spending many years not working or pursuing any life for herself in order to sit around and be free whenever he snapped his fingers. When he dumped her and famously jumped on the table shouting "I'M FREE" she acted strategically getting dressed up and calling the paps and Carole invited him to a family party to convince him to get back with her.

Pippa and her mother stalked some aristo guy so badly, including leaking stuff about their "relationship" to the press, the guy's mother had to tell the press there was no relationship.

And for what? Yes Kate might be queen consort one day but she'll actually have to work which she clearly hates (this year it came out that she'd never visited two of her patronages even once since the day she became patron), she's stuck with a husband who looks like a furious baked potato, and has to deal with snobbery and never being accepted in aristo circles and with everyone in aristocratic and media circles gossiping about her and claiming it's an open secret that he cheats on her. Look at how badly William has handled the Rose Hanbury story. He threw a huge tantrum and insisted his "human rights had been violated" over a little article about Kate falling out with a neighbour, and it was that overreaction that made people realise "rural rivals" was code for affair. If William had kept his trap shut the rural rivals article would have vanished without a trace. When Tatler published that horrible Kate-bashing article William used the full force of his legal threats against them but the only part he had them remove was a single paragraph claiming he socialised with Rose Hanbury and didn't bother to remove any of the nasty parts about his own wife. Not really the acts of a caring husband!

I don't know anything about Meghan's mother other than that she's remained discreet and unlike Carole hasn't exploited the marriage or pushed herself into the public eye, and that she raised a daughter who worked hard and built her own career and money. It makes me laugh when people accuse Meghan of trying to snare a prince. Meghan moved to Canada, pursued a career as an actress and made her career her main focus, and romanced and married an unknown producer who at the time of their marriage had barely any CV (she was already starring on Suits when they married). Not exactly the actions of someone determined to marry into the British RF is it?

Meghan?!

But it's not all Carole has done. She was in a council flat so the odds were she would not be destined to raise her daughter a future queen & be grandmother to the future king

But surely all she has done is raised a child, well three children just like any other mother. The fact that one is married to a future king is nothing to do with Carole. It’s very little to do with Catherine to be honest. And her grand son being a future king is pure accident of birth and nothing to do with Carole at all!

If Carole was born on a council estate what she’s all she’s done is married well some would actually look at her negatively for marrying out of her class and actually say the same about her as they do people like Meghan, that she’s a pretentious social climber!

Also if that’s not all she’s done why are you pushing the fact she’s the “ultimate mother” why not concentrate on her other achievements.

I don’t dislike the royal family but I also can’t understand why it’s so intensely important she’s raised a future queen, why isn’t Marcus rashfords mum the ultimate mother for raising a talented, compassionate, hard working young man with a social conscious (something his mum actually does have an influence on she’s effected his work ethic to put him where he is and his morels to make a difference) why isn’t Boris Johnson’s mum the ultimate mum she’s raised 3 children two of which have had careers in politics and actually changed the course of government and in her oldest case history, why isn’t Margaret thatchers mum the ultimate mum, Tony Blair’s, or even the mums that have raised the scientists to that have worked on the Oxford vaccine? Or the literally thousands of mums that have raised literally thouseds of NHS staff?

What is so special about raising a girl who just happened to marry the third line to the throne any more special than any of these. She’s raised a daughter who gets paid to live in a state funded home with nannies staff and smile and wave at people (by the way I know this isn’t all the royals do) but honestly why is it so bloody amazing!

My main gripe is that when the press wrote about Meghan's expensive private education (which her dad paid for) it was done in a way that was applauded

Your gripe is that some one sent their child to private school and that was applauded you know Carole sent Catherine and pippa to sodding malbough college right?!? One of the most expensive private schools in the country right?!?

Your gripe is that Meghan had the same opportunity as the daughter of the woman your calling the ultimate mother?!?!

Remember when Prince George was born and young? Prince Charles said he never saw him because Carole was always there. When William and Kate are away it's always her mum who is there.
In the last year or so it's been better before she was always in the papers for doing something marvellous (not).
Her entire adult life has been about making sure her daughter's (not sure about her son) marry well. She certainly didn't seem to encourage them to have great careers.
I get annoyed by her because she hasn't done anything wonderful but often seems to be involved in RF events, I don't remember that being the case when the Queens children married. Rarely heard about Fergie or Sophies parents. Even Diana's family weren't really mentioned while she was alive

job raising out future queen & should be given more credit...

I don’t think she’s done a good job at all. Neither of her daughters has had anything like a proper job (what a waste of their education!) and one is now going to be on tax-payer funded benefits for the rest of her life.

I’d have more admiration for a single mother from a council estate who’s children are all in work.

Wasn't CM named/thanked by some Torygraph journo as a source of those horrible stories and gossip about Meghan Markle? If true, I don't think that reflects well on her at all to say the least.

job raising out future queen & should be given more credit

Whhhhhhyyy their are purely ceremonial?!?!

The royal family have no influence on well anything

What’s so important about the fact she’s raised a future cemonial figure

You do know that the royal family don’t run the country don’t you?!?!

@katy1213

Looking at the end product, I think Carole did the better job.

There it is - the first, I’m sure, of many comments slagging of Meghan, in a thread that has fuck all to do with her, which I’m sure was OP’s intent....

she's stuck with a husband who looks like a furious baked potato

I'm stealing this one

@Alltheprettyseahorses

Wasn't CM named/thanked by some Torygraph journo as a source of those horrible stories and gossip about Meghan Markle? If true, I don't think that reflects well on her at all to say the least.

If that’s true it doesn’t reflect very well on Catherine eithe

No wonder there’s a rift between brothers if that’s true.

But no the rift must be Harry’s fault it can’t be saint Wilffiliams fault can it now he and princess Katy are just saints

When William and Kate are away it's always her mum who is there.

And? Should Charles and Camilla - full time working royals drop everything to provide childcare? Camilla has grandchildren of her own already. Daughters are often close to their Mums and like them to provide childcare, there's nothing "pushy" about that.

You hear a lot about her at Royal events because the press like to drag her and photograph her to fit the pushy Carole narrative. I'm sure other parents got to attend events but where was the "news" in that?

Pippa and Kate do exactly what hundreds of other girls of that class and background do. Go to uni, get a decent degree and then work in PR or "designing" or some other not particularly essential line of work. I live in London and have worked for families like this. There is nothing unusual about how Kate and Pippa's lives have progressed.

Kate's family have never discussed the royal family despite all the access they get. You'd think that someone as supposedly pushy and "low rent" as Carole would have really used those connections to further her own agenda yet none of them have ever said a word. Just drawn close to and supported their family member and kept their own council. All those years she was dragged through the press and she's never said a word directly or indirectly to defend herself. I think they seem a decent, genuine, loving family.

why isn’t Marcus rashfords mum the ultimate mother for raising a talented, compassionate, hard working young man with a social conscious (something his mum actually does have an influence on she’s effected his work ethic to put him where he is and his morels to make a difference)

This, by the bucketload