To be shocked at how normal everything looks in New Zealand?

[GoldenLabbie]

Huge crowds seeing the New Year. No masks, no social distancing. You wouldn’t know that the rest of the world is in the grip of a pandemic looking at those scenes. How did we manage to get it so wrong but they got it so right? When you look at that you realise how the rest have screwed up so badly don’t you? I wonder what they make of all?

There is a reason why NSW contact tracing is regarded as the gold star smile

Although was listening to ABC radio yesterday and Vic were having a go at NSW for a case slipping through to them. They probably all know each either pretty well by now.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'so why has australia not done as well as new zealand ?'

That'll be baccaue they didn't 'go hard' and don't have Jacinda 'the legend' running the show.

It’s because Australia WAS slower to act, but Scott Morrison realised going to the footy and pretending everything was going to be ok was straight out of the Johnson handbook, and even HE thought that wouldn’t do. And he was being embarrassed by how active Ardern was being. Practically, Australia was slow to recognise the USA as a major source of incoming infections, too focused on China, Italy and Iran. The USA ended up being biggest single source country.

But you didn’t answer nolongersurprised”s question: do you think if Johnson had been in charge of NZ, they would have done just as well, and all the thousands of high risk people in Auckland would have been ok?

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'so why has australia not done as well as new zealand ?'

That'll be baccaue they didn't 'go hard' and don't have Jacinda 'the legend' running the show.

Your ridiculing of JA is tiresome, just as is your support for Johnson.

@jasjas1973 yes I bet Theresa May sat at home when all this happened and thought thank fuck !! Although I think she may have done ok tbh
No maggie but still

Again, May had years at the HO, she was an experienced politician.

Theresa May has type 1 diabetes, so you can be sure she wouldn’t have been shaking hands and cosying up to people like there was no risk, and it’s likely she would have had greater empathy for those also at risk.

@MarshaBradyo

You only have to look at a country like Singapore to appreciate how useless we've been.

Even South Korea has shown us how terribly we've managed the pandemic.

Both have busy airports and high population densities.

@NotBadConsidering its an impossible question to answer as he would of had jacinda's advisors and as he does seemed to of listened to advisors, maybe
But if jacinda had been in charge of another country who know what she may of achieved there , its an answerable question and one that doesn't really matteR as its about what she has achieved in the country she is in charge of

@nolongersurprised so you have different variables to nz which you take in to account ?

Yes and any country will list their variables. Unfortunately for us we get everyone else jumping in with interest in ours with ‘apologists!’ branded everywhere

@whiterabbitsweets and why have they done well have you looked it uo , are they part of europe as well ?

@MarshaBradyo i was saying anout variables as we haven't got any according to some but then quickly they pointed out why they couldn't be compared so I found that quite ironic
Like those that compare us to countries all over the world but nit any in europe all are more comparable

[quote MarshaBradyo]**@nolongersurprised so you have different variables to nz which you take in to account ?

Yes and any country will list their variables. Unfortunately for us we get everyone else jumping in with interest in ours with ‘apologists!’ branded everywhere[/quote]
But some people are suggesting that the UK has a unique set of variables that no other country in the world shares that means success of other countries can’t possibly be compared. Which is patently ridiculous.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@MarshaBradyo i was saying anout variables as we haven't got any according to some but then quickly they pointed out why they couldn't be compared so I found that quite ironic
Like those that compare us to countries all over the world but nit any in europe all are more comparable [/quote]
I agree with you I probably didn’t post clearly

But yes totally agree!

My opinion is we could not have achieved what NZ did

What about Australia? You said upthread that the U.K. couldn’t be compared to Australia either. Why not? Earlier lockdown and quarantining of international travellers would have made a massive difference.

I wonder if the current tier system is an attempt to emulate countries that have internal borders. But again, without testing and quarantining of those moving into lower tier areas it’s all kind of pointless isn’t it? There are rule-breakers in Aus/NZ as well as the U.K. that’s why the former two made quarantining mandatory, cos idiots were running away.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas but you seem to dismiss any comparison with another European country as well. UK schools are full and have no windows, UK is densely populated... so are the other countries. It's really not that much different.

@notbadconsidering i think boris has empathy after catching covid he was seriously ill and again not the only european leader to if contradicted it , some more recently

But some people are suggesting that the UK has a unique set of variables that no other country in the world shares that means success of other countries can’t possibly be compared. Which is patently ridiculous.

Except the ones we have said compare to - again Germany, Spain, France, Belgium, Italy, NYC as a city. Are these not real? Or what is it that makes everyone so oh no not those? Bizarre!

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@notbadconsidering i think boris has empathy after catching covid he was seriously ill and again not the only european leader to if contradicted it , some more recently [/quote]
Why couldn't he have any empathy before catching Covid? He reacted late to everything. Having had Covid or not isn't an excuse for poor leadership and management of the situation.

@EileenGC and other european countries still are having high numbers ? The data is there
Spain seems to if got numbers down recently but there death rate still is poor as is italy and belgium and even germany who were the best at containing in europe have been struggling recently
I can not comment on european schools as I haven't seen them all but some european countries do not have such large class sizes

@EileenGC and what country are you from, sorry you didn't say

@donewithitalltodayandxmas there is no reasoning with you. You say we can't compare the UK with NZ (I agree with you on this one). But then we compare it to Europe (you said the variables were more similar to Europe), and you make up excuses again.

Yes and any country will list their variables. Unfortunately for us we get everyone else jumping in with interest in ours with ‘apologists!’ branded everywhere

Apart from location, the others don’t hold up though. And location only buys time. If Boris was in charge of Nz, and there was inevitable devastation to the Maori and Pacific Island people (and there would have been) he would have regretfully lamented how their medical risk factors made them extra-vulnerable and done fuck all about it.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@EileenGC and what country are you from, sorry you didn't say [/quote]
I did say, read my posts. I live in Germany, I'm Spanish.

Eileen, there’s no point. Tangential and incoherent arguments and lies about previous posts.