Hilaria Baldwin - THREAD 2

[itsmeagain76]

This is for the person who asked if her husband was also lied to. The video seems to answer this.

Im fascinated by this story but even more by some of the posters on this thread who I have seen elsewhere on MN repeatedly criticising and shaming other posters for discussing prominent women and their choices, yet here they are diving head first into and seemingly throughly enjoying discussing the ins and outs of "Hilaria's" downfall. I'm not judging, I love a good juicy gossip myself and would never presume to try and shut down discussion just because its someone I happen to like.

these posters you mention, are they elsewhere supporting "prominent women's" right to lie? That would be odd.

IME no-one likes being lied to.

@stairway

I doubt any genuine Spanish people were harmed by this, not have any of them missed the opportunity to be Baldwin’s spouse. Spain itself was a colonial power which is why there seems to be genuine confusion between Spanish speakers from South America and actually Spanish. I wonder if this scandal has even been mentioned in Spain. Who knows she might even managed to get Spanish nationality legally in a few years.

As far as I know, for her to get Spanish citizenship, she would need to live there for 10 years and 'renounce' her US citizenship.

But maybe there's a special route to citizenship for rich people, there usually is.

I'm just fascinated by this story. It's so bizarre!

Oh gosh she was involved in the Yoga to the People sex cult scandal!

What's next, secret evil twin?

The stalker adds another dimension to this, her Twitter is like a shrine to them! Not surprised she was convicted

Yes she has lied by omission if you watch her videos.

When asked directly 'are you from Spain'? She responds 'my parents are living in Marbella at the moment'.

She stated that she came to NY at the age of 19 to study and clearly meant that to be taken that she came from Spain and not Boston.

She has lied. It's pretty clear and she can't defend it. She has no Spanish blood at all in her heritage.

She's a phoney who pushed this image to help her instagram brand of 'hot Latina' and Alec enabled that because it fitted the brand.

She has French ancestry, so maybe there is some Spanish ancestry.

Genealogy isn't an exact science. A tree can only be traced back so far with any reliability and even then, who knows!

@flaxmeadow there is literally no Spanish heritage going back 4 generations. There is German, English and Irish.

You can't excuse her gas-lighlighting behavour, don't be silly. She made it up !!

How strange...oh well, she won't get away with that anymore

Can we just remember this is a woman who posts super unrealistic skinny photos of herself after 4 months giving birth in her lacy underwear? This is not supportive of mothers - it is not inclusive of women's bodies .... it's all 'look at meeeeee'

How anyone can defend her is beyond me.

@flaxmeadow there is literally no Spanish heritage going back 4 generations. There is German, English and Irish.

You can't excuse her gas-lighlighting behavour, don't be silly. She made it up !!

I'm not excusing her, it's bonkers, but some random person on Twitter claiming to have done the family tree isn't necessarily accurate. If you're getting your info from the tabloid press, even more so.

Americans lie about heritage and trees all the time anyway. I wouldnt trust an American geneologist as far as I could throw them. I've seen claims about direct descent from famous historical figures who left no record of ever having children and lived in a time when records we have now are incredibly scarce. I actually saw a comment last night on social media, under a history article, where someone claimed to be a descendant of Boudica.

US identity politics is crazy. Look at Joe Biden for example. Has an ancestor from 1812, or thereabouts, supposedly born in Ireland, and apparently this makes JB "Irish", that is his repeated claim, and no one in the USA bats an eyelid at his ridiculous nonsense. Is it any wonder that someone like Hilaria takes it a step further

But American is not an ethnicity (if you’re Indigenous then a specific group within the Americas Us your ethnicity), so Biden (for example) saying he’s Irish American is perfectly normal. People want to acknowledge their ethnic background so in America and Canada (& probably Australia etc) it’s normal to do this via hyphenating. Being African-American, or Chinese-Canadian, etc may come with certain social norms, traditions, etc.

Biden’s mother’s family was entirely Irish in ethnicity while his father’s line was 1/4 Irish. They kept marrying other Irish Catholics so would have retained that sense of themselves as Irish-Americans.

In Canada we’re constantly being told we (non-Indigenous) don’t belong in Canada, we’re settlers. So in that sense too, it seems understandable that we’d try to identity as a hyphenated type of person. (I’m second generation from English and Scots grandparents and our cultural practices are carried over from our grandparents - albeit now quite out of date).

@stairway

I doubt any genuine Spanish people were harmed by this, not have any of them missed the opportunity to be Baldwin’s spouse. Spain itself was a colonial power which is why there seems to be genuine confusion between Spanish speakers from South America and actually Spanish. I wonder if this scandal has even been mentioned in Spain. Who knows she might even managed to get Spanish nationality legally in a few years.

It's not really about Spain though, bit because Spanish language in the US is so closely associated with Latinx groups. Her lie means she benefited from the 'exoticism' associated with Spanish language, while growing up with the privileges associated with being white and rich. That grates.

She has French ancestry, so maybe there is some Spanish ancestry.

How did you reach this conclusion?

@ButtWormHole

Doesn’t tattle exist for vile gossip like this?

What are you referring to? This about something in the news, this is current affairs.

What a classic narcissist defence - "If you concluded that I was Spanish from all my behaviours designed to convince you that I was Spanish, that's your own fault, not mine for gaslighting you".

This is just the whole American "identity" thing taken to an extreme. Americans pretend to be from places they're not all the time.

You're right that Americans are weird about 'identity' - it's just not 'cool' to be a WASP, as Hillary is. However, she goes well beyond the person who calls themselves 'Irish' even though some of their ancestors left the country in the 19th century and they've never even visited Ireland themselves. Baldwin actually says - or led people to believe - that she didn't even come to America until she was 19 and pretented not to know how to say 'cucumber' in English. Her page on a speaking agency website also listed her as being born in Mallorca, Spain.

So she's actually fibbing, not simply exaggerating her 'foreign' origins.

@Ritascornershop - yes, I agree with your comments - however Hilaria's background is pure WASP - not considered cool by a Democrat, so Hilaira selects to identify as Spanish.

She selects to be classed as non-white in US - in her "confession" she explains Europe has lots of white people (to confuse everyone further). Con artist etc

Europe has lots of white people (to confuse everyone further).

That bit was totally mad.

I can't get worked up about it, although me and dh think it is extremely cringey. We've laughed about it.

He is 100 per cent Spanish and our kids both have Spanish passports and birth certificates, and we have the Family Book.

He says that nobody in Spain will care whatsoever and finds it quite funny.

Icedpurple presumably she was impersonating a white Spanish and rich person not a poor Latin American person. she gained the exoticism by taking on the Spanish identity, however I suspect her ‘success’ is more down to her being eccentric and that is what has made her appealing rather than just because she says she was Spanish.

What a classic narcissist defence - "If you concluded that I was Spanish from all my behaviours designed to convince you that I was Spanish, that's your own fault, not mine for gaslighting you".

Absolutely this.

It's weird people still haven't grasped that in the US - a European Spanish born person is non-white and is a "person of color". Hilaria selected to be non-White - Hispanic - as she well knows what with being a Boston born WASP.

They don't recognise Spain as white European - Antonio Banderas and Penelope Cruz - Oscar nominations are in the non-white category. Just how it is there, it doesn't matter we perceive Spain as "exotic" in US it is perceived differently, as Hilaria knows.

Census info:
" Spaniards are considered Hispanic by the U.S. Census Bureau, which defines the term as "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."

@stairway

Icedpurple presumably she was impersonating a white Spanish and rich person not a poor Latin American person. she gained the exoticism by taking on the Spanish identity, however I suspect her ‘success’ is more down to her being eccentric and that is what has made her appealing rather than just because she says she was Spanish.

But in America, the Spanish language and accent are associatied not with Spain but with Latin America.

Also, I believe she adopted the 'Hilaria' persona back when she was still a yoga teacher. Yoga is a competitive 'industry' and she probably thought that a 'Spanish' yoga instructor would be more marketable than an upper middle class WASP from Boston.