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Hilaria Baldwin - THREAD 2

261 replies

itsmeagain76 · 30/12/2020 17:55

This is for the person who asked if her husband was also lied to. The video seems to answer this.

OP posts:
PicsInRed · 01/01/2021 16:12

Fizzydrinks123

Don't forget Catherine Zeta-Jones. 😉

IcedPurple · 01/01/2021 16:14

They don't recognise Spain as white European - Antonio Banderas and Penelope Cruz - Oscar nominations are in the non-white category.

There's no 'non-white' category at the Oscars!

Fizzydrinks123 · 01/01/2021 16:26

www.pri.org/stories/2015-10-28/im-white-barcelona-los-angeles-im-hispanic

See attached - Barcelona girl discovering in US from a black guy that she's a non-white...it was news to her!

There are loads of stories out there of European Spanish people realising after spending time in US that they are not considered "white". It may go over the head of an average Spanish tourist whilst on holiday there - but that is how a Spanish born person is perceived in the US.

Someone's Spanish husband above thinks it amusing. I wonder if more European Spanish people realised it isn't a form of flattery from Hilaria trying to be "exotic" - it's actually Hilaria self-selecting a "lower" status than her WASP born experience to access "political/cultural capital she shouldn't have.

Spain is not considered an "exotic" European country to the US it calls to mind poverty and servitude in the US and is just another Hispanic to them (not so charming) - see above description of census.

IcedPurple · 01/01/2021 16:31

[quote Fizzydrinks123]people of color category
www.npr.org/2020/02/09/803809670/why-labeling-antonio-banderas-a-person-of-color-triggers-such-a-backlash[/quote]
I only skimmed the article, but I couldn't see any mention of a 'non-white' category at the Oscars, just a desire to have more 'diversity' among nominees. Could you quote the relevant part?

stairway · 01/01/2021 16:34

Hilaria wasn’t choosing poverty , lower class status though. Regardless of American ignorance of geography , Hilaria has a good knowledge and understanding of Spain and it’s culture and is well educated. Looking at pictures of her and Alec in Madrid she could definitely pull off upper class Spanish elite. She wasn’t pretending to be a Mexican maid from Manhatten. Surely no actual Spanish are offended. A person from South America really shouldn’t be that offended about someone pretending to be from a different country and continent to themselves.

Fizzydrinks123 · 01/01/2021 16:43

When Oscars want ticked boxes for how diverse their selection of potential winners at the awards - they can tick a "person of color" has been selected by selecting Antonio etc. He doesn't stand on stage winning award for it as such, but he ticks a diversity box for the Oscars etc

US has different definitions for people of colour than we would understand in UK

If a Spanish born actress wins an award here that hasn't ticked any diversity boxes at all.

Fizzydrinks123 · 01/01/2021 16:50

Hilaria says she's often mistaken for her own children's "nanny" when speaking Spanish - it is considered low status.

So no, if other mums in Central Park are saying "hey, wanna mind my children for me and be my nanny?" then she's not selecting high status image amongst other WASP types.

As the OP said though, it's for others to read up on racism differences between UK and US - it's all out there, just don't take own preconceived ideas of what constitutes "exotic" as being desirable and can just mean "different".

As Hilaria said : there are a lot of white people in Europe....

stairway · 01/01/2021 16:58

That’s American ignorance though. I was once mistaken for my son’s Nanny once because he has an Arabic name and Im white. If the children don’t seem to match the mother people jump to conclusions. She’s pretending to be Spanish , the children are clearly American, assumptions are made that she wasn’t their mother.

Biffbaff · 01/01/2021 17:16

Is it bad that I just want to know what gang she would be in if she was in Orange is the New Black?

Foreveraintenough · 01/01/2021 17:16

@Flaxmeadow Joe Biden has very clear Irish links and as a very strong culture it does not surprise me that he identifies with it. Not even remotely comparable to what is going on with Hilaria Baldwin

Liverbird77 · 01/01/2021 17:20

@Fizzydrinks123 we have a good understanding of the US. I used to live there...near Boston actually, although I didn't know "Hilaria"!!

We also visit for an extended vacation most years. Each time we fly in, my husband is detained for questioning. We still choose to go.

Not all Americans have such a low view of Spain also.

Anyway, he chooses to find it funny so I am not going to be offended on his behalf!

Fizzydrinks123 · 01/01/2021 18:35

for me, boils down to what level of misrepresentation/lying is acceptable.

Hopefully someone close to her will stage an "intervention" and explain they've been happy to play along with her new identity but it isn't "real". You can't speak a reality into existence.

Help her grasp that liking paella and castanets rather than baseball and burgers doesn't mean she's rewritten history and become Espanol...

MrsDoctorDear · 01/01/2021 19:07

It's a shame her parents are being hounded now. She really didn't think this through. They've done nothing wrong.

And as for staying off social media for 'a long time', she lasted a couple of hours before posting more selfies.

MrsDoctorDear · 01/01/2021 19:13

She thrives on attention, and if this was 'positive attention' she would be lapping it up.
You can't have it both ways. If you put absolutely everything on social media then you can't pick and choose. It's all or nothing, she took that risk.

She's so fake. The picture in the DM a while back with the people carrier full of nannies. That's how she manages 5 kids.

DianaT1969 · 01/01/2021 19:14

Where does she go from here? Since Caroline Flack's suicide, I worry about the effect of this type of drama. She can't be emotionally or mentally sound to have done this in the first place. She's an object of derision. I don't see how she comes back from this.
Any thoughts? Some kind of rehap, therapy, Oprah and a book?

Fizzydrinks123 · 01/01/2021 19:25

Where does it go from here?

Hopefully, acknowledging that re-writing history is probably indicative of emotional issues that need dealing with.

Understanding that playing along with someone else's reality isn't helping them at all, difficult conversations rather than just saying "be kind". Getting her off social media stop using her dc as lifestyle props.

Lampzade · 01/01/2021 19:29

@Fizzydrinks123

www.pri.org/stories/2015-10-28/im-white-barcelona-los-angeles-im-hispanic

See attached - Barcelona girl discovering in US from a black guy that she's a non-white...it was news to her!

There are loads of stories out there of European Spanish people realising after spending time in US that they are not considered "white". It may go over the head of an average Spanish tourist whilst on holiday there - but that is how a Spanish born person is perceived in the US.

Someone's Spanish husband above thinks it amusing. I wonder if more European Spanish people realised it isn't a form of flattery from Hilaria trying to be "exotic" - it's actually Hilaria self-selecting a "lower" status than her WASP born experience to access "political/cultural capital she shouldn't have.

Spain is not considered an "exotic" European country to the US it calls to mind poverty and servitude in the US and is just another Hispanic to them (not so charming) - see above description of census.

This
PurplePansy05 · 01/01/2021 19:30

I think there's a difference between criticism, jokes and hounding. The latter isn't acceptable, her family should be left alone.

This story will shortly run its course, she'll hopefully understand where she's gone wrong, maybe seek help. Personally, I'd be too embarrassed to return to public life and also too busy with 5 young kids and a job, tbh. It would do her a world of good to remove herself from SM and TV permanently. But I don't think she'll do it long term, sadly.

MrsDoctorDear · 01/01/2021 19:33

Getting her off social media stop using her dc as lifestyle props.

I would have a lot more respect for her if she did this. It would be forgotten about quicker, and take the heat off her poor parents and brother who did not ask for this.

Circusoflove · 01/01/2021 20:31

This is a very interesting example of how race is socially constructed. I had no idea before reading this thread that Americans considered Spanish people to be Hispanic and non-white, so it’s been very informative if nothing else.

elp30 · 01/01/2021 21:08

I think I'll give you all my view as a person who is "Hispanic".

I was born in an American city on the US/Mexico border. My father was born in Mexico and all four of my grandparents were all born in Mexico too. My mother was born in the US. So, I consider myself "Mexican-American", "Chicano" or "Hispanic".

I am bi-lingual and I speak English with a slight Texan twang. My Spanish has an American inflection. I am too American to be considered Mexican by Mexican people and I'm too Mexican to be considered American to American people. Hence, my hyphenated descriptor. I live in a sort of strange bubble.

To me, the Spanish are white Europeans. I consider myself white with Mexican ethnicity and heritage. But this is because of my age. I am 50 but things have changed recently. My birth certificate states that my race is white but I have Mexican ancestry. I suppose that by having Mexican ancestry, we are a combination of native peoples of the Americas and European so we are not "fully white" and the current times now reflect that I am a "person of color". It's all very new to me and filling out the census form in 2020 was confusing. I'll admit that knowing this change makes me even more confused why a Spaniard is considered "non-white". That makes no sense.

One thing I will say, regarding @Lampzade and her comment about how Americans don't view the Spanish as being exotic but how they're thought of as a people who have poverty and servitude, is that it is not the view of "all" Americans but perhaps those not of "Hispanic/Latino" descent.

I was brought up to believe that being "more Spanish" was better. I can't tell you how many people will go out of their way to mention their close connection to a relation in Spain. They proudly proclaim that their grandparent was born in Valladolid but "the one in Spain not Mexico". A common compliment is that a person looks "Spanish" or exhibits more "white" features and less "Indian or native" features is just that, a compliment. Or when a person speaks Spanish eloquently, it's said that they speak "properly and like Castellanos" which means they are learned like Castilian people. Mexican Spanish is frowned upon as being inferior.

Obviously, my family has no connection to Spain but far in the past; I am dark-skinned and was always ostracized because most people favored my lighter-skinned sister and called her beautiful; I speak more the mere common Mexican Spanish and when I visited Spain and spoke Spanish, a Spanish waiter laughed and spoke in English because my Spanish was "not good" (BASTARD). My god, if the Mexican language was so bad, we would not have gifted the world words like "chocolate" and "avocado" which are both immense. Plus, we don't say "chori-tho" or "cora-thon" but "chori-soh" and "cora-sohn" (heart) like decent people across the entire Americas as we don't speak with a lisp!

I find the whole Hilaria/ Hilly saga really comical but confusing. Being Spanish to the Mexican community is understandable because to us, it's more revered, I suppose. Interestingly, she claims to have "struggled" because of her Spanish-ness or whatever but that's not true in my part of the US. If she really wanted the Hispanic experience, then she would claim to be Mexican but she wouldn't want that!

Being Mexican Hispanic specifically means that most American people keep telling me to "go back to where you came from". I am already there. I get told, "Your English is very good". Of course it is, I am Texan. I got my first job, not because I was the best candidate but because I fulfilled a "quota" as the company needed to have 25% of the staff as "Hispanic". It just goes on and on and I won't mention the shit I get from Mexican people because I'm American. It's all tedious...

Btw, please, by all that is holy, don't refer to us as "Latinx". It's only used by a small minority of people but on the whole, "Latino(a)/ Chicano(a)/ Hispano(a)" is fine.

starskey80 · 01/01/2021 21:26

Wow, Elp30, that is all really fascinating. Thanks for that.
I never knew either that the Spanish would be considered 'people of colour' till all this broke out.

To the non Spanish peaking ear, I much prefer your Spanish. The lisp thing can get grating.....Ducking for cover.

Fizzydrinks123 · 01/01/2021 21:29

@Circusoflove
yes social constructs, but some things aren't social constructs: we are all part of human race and male or female.

We don't have specific genetic marker for a race - there are similarities in the dna from specific geographical locations - which is how people identify the "race" by using evidence collected to show numbers of people with this... hail from .... this part of a region ...

DNA does tell us whether we're male/female.

Potentially one day race may be more seen as "heritage/background" but equally not something you just pick and choose as Hilaria has done - it's a real lived experience from parents and close family and can't just be bought at the Disney store to wear when suits.

starskey80 · 01/01/2021 21:33

It's an extremely odd thing for her to do. But I notice in interviews she never comes out and says she's Spanish, but he does, many times, and then does this stupid accent to mimmick her. So fucking weird.

Either he really believed her, or he's in on it and pushed it for her. Which would be odd as he's famous and would have to have known she'd be caught.