To feel relieved that it’s not a no-deal outcome!

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Whether you’re Remain or Leave the fact is that Brexit is going ahead. I was genuinely scared of a no-deal outcome especially after the weird 2020 we have had.

I don’t know the full details of the deal but I’m just glad that there is a deal rather than no-deal at all. Anyone else feel the same?

Brexit: Boris Johnson hails free trade deal with EU

At least that’s something. I was worried about trading under WTO rules.

Thoughts?

@TerryHearn

You still haven’t explained your statement about UK prisons housing half of the EU’s criminals.

By your own figures, that means there could only be 4,144 European criminals housed in EU jails.

Either your hyperbole is truly ridiculous and jingoistic, or your maths is tucked.

So which is it?

I'm glad a deal has been agreed. I really think if it wasn't for all the politicians showing off, they could have ad a deal much much sooner.

*fucked not tucked

I remember that case well too.

I can also read:
It should be mandatory for all police forces in England and Wales to perform automated criminal records and Interpol checks on foreign criminals

So will you now tell us that it's the EU which stops English and Welsh police forces consulting their international counterparts?

I simply quoted it to show that of all foreign nationals in our prisons, 44% are from the EU

Of course you did

And surely we should be deporting those people in our jails who are foreign and not from the EU so they can serve their time in foreign jails?

Or should people serve jail in the country where they did the crime?

If a UK citizen commits a crime in Australia, where should they serve their sentence?

I simply quoted it to show that of all foreign nationals in our prisons, 44% are from the EU

So 56% are from the rest of the world. Should we try to opt out there too?

Without reading the text of the agreement, and despite Priti Patel's burbling's I suspect that we have made it more difficult to get rid of criminals. What would be the English equivalent of the Costa del Crime?

I am basically relieved but only because it was a damage limitation exercise. Like if someone stole £100 from me and I managed to snatch £10 back, I would be pleased I hadn't lost it all. But I wouldn't be jumping up and down with excitement as the Brexiters seem to want us to do.

[quote PigletJohn]@Walkintal

So when you said "genuine trade" you meant "charitable donations to the needy."

Membership of the EU did not prevent us from being generous.

Your claim is false.[/quote]
I mean allowing poor countries to develop their own economies and not economically bully them and cause perpetual poverty in these countries.
Fair trade is not charity, and your comments imply an attitude to the poor of the world which is unpleasant.

my unpleasantless does not justify your claim that membership of the EU prevents a country's traders from setting generous terms.

The EU prevents any EU business buying roasted coffee from outside the EU without paying a 7.5% duty, thus making it more expensive. This costs the EU citizens money to protect EU cofffee roasters. Restrained of trade basically. Legally ok, but morally poor.

The EU is a protectionist racket. It has nowhere to go now. Who is joining it? Turkey? Albania? Any other Balkan non-member? Look to the Scandinavian non-members and the Swiss for examples of nations who have more common sense than to join. It started as a worthwhile economic trading bloc. Once political and social union was introduced it was on a sticky wicket. Anyone who balks at the political union is a “racist”. A really grown up argument....

The EU prevents any EU business buying roasted coffee from outside the EU without paying a 7.5% duty, thus making it more expensive

Does it?

Or are there trade deals with coffee producing countries so they don't have to pay such duties?

The EU prevents any EU business buying roasted coffee from outside the EU without paying a 7.5% duty

If we had left on WTO terms, then we would have had any country which we didn't have a trade deal with would have had to pay tariffs on anything they imported to the UK.

So how is that fair to other countries?

The point is, either under the deal and WTO terms, we can set our own tariffs.
We could have nil tariffs on everything if we wanted.

@Walkintal

The point is, either under the deal and WTO terms, we can set our own tariffs. We could have nil tariffs on everything if we wanted.

That would be kind of us.

I wonder if countries would reciprocate and offer us nil tariffs on our goods?

@Walkintal

The point is, either under the deal and WTO terms, we can set our own tariffs. We could have nil tariffs on everything if we wanted.

Do you understand the difference between tariff rates and non tariff boundaries its a rather key distinction

I can actually recall a case of a Lithuanian MURDERER who murdered a school girl in the UK and buried her body in a river bed
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36706548

It was a terrible crime, i do remember it.

But maybe read you own links? the inquest jurors found UK police forces were not consulting EU criminal DB's routinely.

In the future, Mr Latvian Murderer can come here for up to 6 months and we won't have any real time DB's to consult.....

Only Iceland and Norway are not in the EU, they are in EFTA, which is in your hated SM and subject to the ECJ.

EFTA was originally founded by the UK among others.

Priti Patel says we will be safer...

But from that link:

It should be mandatory for all police forces in England and Wales to perform automated criminal records and Interpol checks on foreign criminals

The Home Office should continue its policy of encouraging all EU and non-EU countries to update watch lists with details of all serious convictions

Audit systems should be put in place to ensure mandatory checks are being carried out and warnings lists updated

Contingencies regarding the exchange of information with EU countries should be considered in the light of Brexit

@TerryHearn

Anyone who balks at the political union is a “racist”.

I don’t remember Cameron being called “racist” when he negotiated the UK’s opt out on closer union in 2016?

BTW, “political union” doesn’t actually exist in any EU texts. I think you’re getting confused with the phrase ”ever closer union” which is somewhat different.

Anyway, how’s your maths going?

And you never did reply on why the UK hadn’t invested in its own infrastructure during EU membership (despite this being specifically allowed under state aid rules) but had instead flogged it off to foreign investors?

@jasjas1973

I can actually recall a case of a Lithuanian MURDERER who murdered a school girl in the UK and buried her body in a river bed www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36706548

It was a terrible crime, i do remember it.

But maybe read you own links? the inquest jurors found UK police forces were not consulting EU criminal DB's routinely.

In the future, Mr Latvian Murderer can come here for up to 6 months and we won't have any real time DB's to consult.....

Only Iceland and Norway are not in the EU, they are in EFTA, which is in your hated SM and subject to the ECJ.

EFTA was originally founded by the UK among others.

No. Make sure you read my links. Latvian police and in turn EU systems had not been updated to show that this guy was a convicted murder. There was nothing to find when the UK police checked their systems. So when you start lecturing people make sure you are on firm ground first.

In the new post-Brexit world we will check his background. As an EU citizen he was allowed in no questions asked.

In terms of your other points you have no clue about my views on economic trading blocs so wind your neck in.

Merry Christmas.

[quote SabrinaThwaite]@TerryHearn

Anyone who balks at the political union is a “racist”.

I don’t remember Cameron being called “racist” when he negotiated the UK’s opt out on closer union in 2016?

BTW, “political union” doesn’t actually exist in any EU texts. I think you’re getting confused with the phrase ”ever closer union” which is somewhat different.

Anyway, how’s your maths going?

And you never did reply on why the UK hadn’t invested in its own infrastructure during EU membership (despite this being specifically allowed under state aid rules) but had instead flogged it off to foreign investors?[/quote]
I’m embarrassed for you. Genuinely. He received no opt out whatsoever.

We left.

The end.

Get.

Used.

To.

It.

😄

No. Make sure you read my links. Latvian police and in turn EU systems had not been updated to show that this guy was a convicted murder. There was nothing to find when the UK police checked their systems. So when you start lecturing people make sure you are on firm ground first

He was arrested for an alleged sexual assault, Police did not refer to EU DB's so his previous conviction wasn't picked up.

In the new post-Brexit world we will check his background. As an EU citizen he was allowed in no questions asked

Ask who? how? you've 1min at a check point in Dover, we need real time access.....

I think its clear you don't know anything about which countries are in EFTA, what membership of EFTA entails or its history.

You are against EU membership, so would automatically be against CU and SM, as you mentioned both Scandinavia and Switzerland being far more sensible..... blah blah blah!

I’m embarrassed for you. Genuinely. He received no opt out whatsoever.

So when you start lecturing people make sure you are on firm ground first

Oops.

I think you’ll find that he did just that.

ukandeu.ac.uk/dont-forget-the-deal-how-camerons-uk-eu-settlement-could-herald-a-more-flexible-eu/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union.

I’m sooooo embarrassed for you

In the new post-Brexit world we will check his background. As an EU citizen he was allowed in no questions asked

You do know that we check people at the borders before Brexit happened.

fullfact.org/europe/border-security-eu/

Because we aren't in Schengen...