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To feel relieved that it’s not a no-deal outcome!

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Xnon · 24/12/2020 20:29

Whether you’re Remain or Leave the fact is that Brexit is going ahead. I was genuinely scared of a no-deal outcome especially after the weird 2020 we have had.

I don’t know the full details of the deal but I’m just glad that there is a deal rather than no-deal at all. Anyone else feel the same?

Brexit: Boris Johnson hails free trade deal with EU

At least that’s something. I was worried about trading under WTO rules.

Thoughts?

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Peregrina · 27/12/2020 10:57

Have you not heard of black markets TerryHearn? Someone of a criminal mind won't be deterred because his paperwork isn't in order.

chomalungma · 27/12/2020 10:57

@TerryHearn

It does beg the question. Why are the EU removing access to this system other than to cut their nose off? Do they want to prevent dangerous Brits travelling to the EU? No doubt we have a few. It works both ways.
So you agree that criminals will be able to come here from the EU and we won't know about it.
chomalungma · 27/12/2020 11:00

@Peregrina

Have you not heard of black markets TerryHearn? Someone of a criminal mind won't be deterred because his paperwork isn't in order.
I don't think the builders in Auf Widersehen Pet had work visas for Germany.
Peregrina · 27/12/2020 11:01

Did the Beatles have work visas for Hamburg, I wonder?

SabrinaThwaite · 27/12/2020 11:03

@TerryHearn

The flawless EU system let poor Alice Gross down. I am unclear why you would argue against this in your own link. Mad.
@TerryHearn

Ah still flogging that one, whilst completing ignoring the Coroner’s concerns about the possibility of leaving Europol.

Which you voted for.

Well done.

TerryHearn · 27/12/2020 11:32

You just don’t and won’t see the flaws in the current system. That’s your own problem. You are the reason people voted to Leave. When you accept that then you will be able to understand the reasons you lost.

chomalungma · 27/12/2020 11:45

@TerryHearn

You just don’t and won’t see the flaws in the current system. That’s your own problem. You are the reason people voted to Leave. When you accept that then you will be able to understand the reasons you lost.
IF you are talking about the database, then

There are always flaws in a system.

But it's better to have access to a database than not have access to it.

I suspect you are talking about people coming to the UK to work / settle who may have criminal pasts / intentions and we don't know about that until they get here and work or commit crimes.

And yes - I will agree with you that we will see less criminals in UK jails from EU countries.

Do you think that crime from EU citizens was a reason for people voting Leave?

SabrinaThwaite · 27/12/2020 11:50

@TerryHearn

So back to the “we won, you lost” rhetoric?

When you can explain just what we have “won” without using words like “independence”, “sovereignty” and “control”then maybe I’ll be more understanding.

In the meantime, I’ll continue to watch UK GDP slide, continued lower inward foreign investment and companies quietly slip away to the EU as it’s easier to trade there without the non-tariff barriers.

justanotherneighinparadise · 27/12/2020 11:57

@SabrinaThwaite you are doing the same though. You are throwing ‘you think you won, but really you’ve lost’ sentiment around and equally sounding immature 🤷‍♀️

chomalungma · 27/12/2020 12:00

[quote justanotherneighinparadise]@SabrinaThwaite you are doing the same though. You are throwing ‘you think you won, but really you’ve lost’ sentiment around and equally sounding immature 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
I don't know.

At least there's more arguments with her points rather than ' we won, you lost , get over it'.

TerryHearn · 27/12/2020 12:13

Name me anyone who has just gone through a divorce who is at their most financially strong at that point. That goes for the EU too. I don’t see them being in great shape. They really are not.

Give it 10-20 years and see where we are. Until then you are all noise.

SabrinaThwaite · 27/12/2020 12:15

@justanotherneighinparadise

So prove me wrong on those points? It’s already demonstrably happening.

Leavers have always said they weren’t won over by any economic arguments, but claiming a “win” that doesn’t bring economic benefits is a Pyrrhic victory, no?

BubblyBarbara · 27/12/2020 12:18

I would love to know a single benefit for me from this. I don’t go to sleep hugging sovereignty. However, I can no longer easily do a planned year long walking tour of Europe, I can’t move there as planned later in my retirement, and my daughters seed potato farm has lost half of its customers. But I am sure some big benefit will come along for me soon?

chomalungma · 27/12/2020 12:22

@TerryHearn

Name me anyone who has just gone through a divorce who is at their most financially strong at that point. That goes for the EU too. I don’t see them being in great shape. They really are not.

Give it 10-20 years and see where we are. Until then you are all noise.

Well - if it was 2 people separating, then I would agree.

But it's not 2 countries separating.

We will see where we are in 10 - 20 years.
We know what the economic predictions are.

But we know it's not about the economy.
It's about control.

And we have been told by millionaires that the economic hit is a price
worth paying.

Peregrina · 27/12/2020 12:24

Name me anyone who has just gone through a divorce who is at their most financially strong at that point. That goes for the EU too. I don’t see them being in great shape. They really are not.

Give over - you WON. You have got your Brexit.

As for divorce, I can't be the only one who has heard men lamenting that they have been taken to the cleaners by their ex-wife. I think that also includes the Leavers hero Johnson - already stretched trying to support 3 or 4 families on a PMs salary.

chomalungma · 27/12/2020 12:27

But there is little point in arguing.
We will see some of the ramifications of this.

This is our sliding doors moment. We won't really know what would have happened if we voted Remain.

We know some of the things that will happen. We know what barriers we have put up for ourselves.

So let's see if Boris can level up the country.

What would @TerryHearn and other Leavers like to see happen now with this new found control?

TerryHearn · 27/12/2020 12:46

@chomalungma

But there is little point in arguing. We will see some of the ramifications of this.

This is our sliding doors moment. We won't really know what would have happened if we voted Remain.

We know some of the things that will happen. We know what barriers we have put up for ourselves.

So let's see if Boris can level up the country.

What would @TerryHearn and other Leavers like to see happen now with this new found control?

We will know what will have happened if we remained. Just watch what happens in the EU. I predict economic challenges. Youth unemployment continuing at sky high levels. More countries tacked on to keep the big Ponzi scheme going. Albania next? Turkey at some point. Or not. Who knows. None of them adding much but draining huge resources whilst the EU levels them up using their Development Funds (paid for by the few remaining net contributors). Let the EU develop into a closer political union whilst the likes of Hungary continue to balk. I also predict the belly of Europe continuing to move further to the right wing in response. Interesting times but we won’t be directly part of it.
chomalungma · 27/12/2020 12:48

So no answer as to what you would like to see happen next?

Just glad that we are out of it....

justanotherneighinparadise · 27/12/2020 12:50

I don’t need to prove anyone wrong. I don’t have a crystal ball sadly. I’m just telling you from an unbiased perspective both ‘sides’ sound equally as ridiculous.

Thelnebriati · 27/12/2020 12:56

Its sad how easily people have been persuaded to accept a bad deal by using the threat of no deal.

TerryHearn · 27/12/2020 12:57

@chomalungma

So no answer as to what you would like to see happen next?

Just glad that we are out of it....

What’s that noise????

It’s like a strange whining noise. A broken record. Yes that’s it.

chomalungma · 27/12/2020 13:00

It’s like a strange whining noise. A broken record. Yes that’s it

It's a pity you don't know what you would like to see for this country.

I can give you a long list of things that this country needs to do to level up and share the wealth of our GDP.

SabrinaThwaite · 27/12/2020 13:01

@justanotherneighinparadise

I don’t need to prove anyone wrong. I don’t have a crystal ball sadly. I’m just telling you from an unbiased perspective both ‘sides’ sound equally as ridiculous.
You don’t need a crystal ball though - the three specifics I listed can already be demonstrated to be happening.
Wherediditgo · 27/12/2020 13:02

Not RTFT but I’d be interested to see a comparisons between the deal May was trying to get us and the deal Boris actually got.

TerryHearn · 27/12/2020 13:09

All I can say is that with pessimists like you lot Britain wouldn’t get very far. No self confidence whatsoever. Stockholm syndrome about being in the EU. Leave it to those that have confidence in Britain’s abilities and we’ll go far.

In terms of detail. Difficult to say. Can you explain to me all of your life decisions for the next 10 years? Decisions will be made as time goes on and as appropriate. To negotiate each specific situation in advance of it happening would take foresight never before seen in this world. Fortunately you won’t be making the decisions. Just sit back and calm yourself down. You will live. You will be ok. Relax.