Fed up of threads trying to justify breaking restrictions

[nicknamehelp]

So sick of all these threads of its ok if I just.... if we al just.... this is all just going to go on and on. Is it really going to be the end of the world if presents are delivered a bit late if you don't see someone for another few weeks... I've had a really bad year with a very sick child and dm butI have stuck to guidelines I'm no saint and I'm sure I've slipped up at some point. I'm just sick of people thinking their situation warrants breaking the rules.

@YouBoughtMeAWall

I’m sick of being told you’re not allowed to discuss dickheads breaking rules.

But you are though.

"Yet here we are, being told to do against instincts that have been around for milennia, for what is very very likely to be of no risk to anyone,"

If you drive a long distance against government advice and meet with an accident that could be a few more beds taken up at an hospital. It will also take valuable time off doctors and other healthcare assistants who could be attending to cancer and covid patients-all cos one person couldn't control oones instincts . Also if they end up in hospital that means they could catch the virus and pass it on to others. Being human is about being able to control ones instincts. That's the difference between humans and animals. Laws are there to stop people from acting purely on their instincts that have been around for milennia. If everyone is allowed to act on their instincts this world would be an awful place to live in.

Personally I'm fed up of the thread threads with sanctimonious posters casting random judgments on their neighbours/fellow supermarket customers/randoms in the street, and despite admittedly knowing nothing about them, deciding they should be doing X Y and Z because, you know killing grannies/covidiots or some such other buzz phrase.

Because actually these people are just professional nosey twats revelling in the opportunity to flaunt their nosey twatness in the name of "it's because is care about others". No love you're a sad little prick and need to get a hobby

Fed up of threads by the self identified morally superior hormonal "for greater good" types accusing cold hearted masses for trivialising covid and killing grannies by doing selfish things like sending children to school or prioritising other healthcare issues

Yawn. Can't these threads be kept within the coronavirus board to spare us?

Watched the local news tonight....there was a lady on there with terminal cancer...her last xmas in all probabilty and her 2 sons couldnt visit due to the 'roolz'...my mum died years ago of cancer and nothing on earth would have stopped me being with her in her final weeks...I cannot understand why people do not apply common sense and are just blindly following rules.

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire

MN is not, as I'm sure you know, always a good place when you are feeling that way.

I know there can be a desire to look at threads and post on threads where you kind of know you will get not a great response.

Please bear in mind that MN is not always good with this stuff. I took some terrible 'advice' when I was depressed.

Take care and of course go and see your family :)

Tbh I've seen more posts (and know more people irl) telling others they are breaking the rules when they aren't than I have people actually breaking the rules. Half my family seem to think I'm "technically" breaking the rules because my dc are teens. Erm nope. I'm still allowed my support bubble! Idiots. Or claiming that I am allowed a bubble, but they need it more despite them not being allowed one, and asking me to cancel mine. No. Fuck off. Honestly if I thought I could go NC without upsetting my DC and nieces and nephews them I would!

Although I'm mightly sick of my dad phoning me and telling me how my brother is breaking the rules, And my brother phoning me and moaning about my dad breaking the rules. They both they they are sticking to them when in reality neither of them are.

OP you haven't acknowledged the people who are really struggling who have responded to you.

Question.

Round my way there is a famous bridge. It's nicknamed suicide bridge. People would be breaking the rules to go there. They're not buying bread or working.

How angry do you feel about their rule breaking? Just a rough... Bad but not awful. Very bad. Understandable..?

Breaking the rules like that... How bad?

@NiceGerbil

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire

MN is not, as I'm sure you know, always a good place when you are feeling that way.

I know there can be a desire to look at threads and post on threads where you kind of know you will get not a great response.

Please bear in mind that MN is not always good with this stuff. I took some terrible 'advice' when I was depressed.

Take care and of course go and see your family :)

I kind of feel a bit better now but I had a full blown panic attack when Boris changed the rules.

I just wish people would stop judging. At the end of the day people have been allowed to meet and help vulnerable people throughout this whole thing even when households were not supposed to. Christmas is no different. At the end of the day nobody knows what is going on in someone else's life.

Well you won't get any argument from me.

The draw of the threads you know will upset you, I remember that.

I think there are a lot of people on mn who see words on a screen/ a row/ a bit of fun. And forget it's real people.

I have a spouse and 2 kids. A good job. Yay. The bridge is a 20 min drive. Well I could do it in 15 as it's late and there's no traffic.

I don't know what people like the OP think? That's a good thing? Weak rulebreaker gone? One less to spread stuff. But you know. DH. The kids. All that. We had a death at work. Unexpected. Of course no one could go to the funeral. No comforting each other. We've been WFH the whole time.

I suppose maybe it matters less if you don't see someone? Haven't seen them. Just. A face on a screen gone.

Go to your family. Get what you need to help :)

@nicknamehelp

Try being a parent of a very sick in hospital child at moment only one parent allowed. I can't even see my dh or ds at moment as on a Paediatric oncology ward. If people followed the rules and covid was got under control perhaps my dh could see his very sick dd for more than is currently allowed. I suffer with anxiety but I've had to learn to control that to be with my dd. I'm sorry but Aunt Doris getting her Xmas present in Tier 4 really isn't urgent.

I know this is frustrating for you OP, but the thing is, your assumption that if people "just followed the rules" things would be ok, is incorrect.

It's a virus, it will spread, and in a densely populated place like the UK it will do so quickly.

You might slow it down, but only for a while. The idea that people would put up with significant restrictions for 9 months was always crazy, which is why the messaging was originally that it would be something like three weeks, or six weeks.

It's a virus.

It will mutate.

I'm not sure what OP wants from people. She sure as fuck has ignored struggling people on the thread.

Maybe that's a mindset too.

I do agree ...however I think if I needed to hug someone who was bereaved or ill I would if they didnt mind.

@CuntyMcBollocks but I don’t think they’re being classed as a bubble as you’re being classified as helping someone vulnerable. So you aren’t breaking any rules.

But others are and that’s what is wrong.

There will inevitably be people, mainly grandma's and grandpas who will catch it over Xmas, end up in hospital in massive pain and distress and die. Because their family member decided that being all together at Xmas was more important than anything.

Will they feel guilt? A friend of mine was one of the first to catch it in March following a ski trip. She went to see her mum and dad when she was still symptoms less. Both caught it, her dad was the first person to die from it locally. Her mum was left with severe lung issues.

She was and still is overcome with guilt. Despite little information at the time and certainly not breaking any rules.

I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I passed it on to my parents whilst symptoms less knowing I broke rules aimed to avoid exactly that.

But you are though.

Lol.

Did the more recent posters read the thread?

Or are they saying. Erm. Yes to suicide rather than breaking rules. But what if that breaks rules? Do it where it's going to distress more people is at home where the kids are?

I'm assuming they've not read the thread?

@DownstairsMixUp I’m so sorry to read that about your dad. Heartbreaking 😞 I hope you are ok.

@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire have you rang your doctor yet 😉😉 seriously, have a wonderful and peaceful Christmas with your parents.

The op sounds like she’s going through a tough time but I don’t really get the comment about one visitor only-this would apply with rule breakers or not?

You’ll always get a small minority of people breaking rules, that’s humans, that’s life.
Some will break these Covid rules purely to party it up with their family, however others, as we can see on this thread, are doing it for much different reasons. No judgement from me on those reasons, for some people it’ll be rule break or they’ll get severely mentally unwell or kill themselves.

@nicegerbil if you actually read my posts I am actually suffering I am currently living on a children's cancer ward with my dd my mh is shot my dm has months to live and I can't see her due to being with dd. So I do know how bad all the restrictions make people feel but if people stopped twisting them to make it fit what they want perhaps all the restrictions would now of been lifted.

I'll be seeing my parents because I want to. The kids and myself are isolating and having Covid tests beforehand to minimize any risk. I know it's wrong. I know I am being selfish but quite frankly, I'm past caring.

so is everybody else. This is exactly why restrictions have been increased 🤷

@Oooohbehave

I'll be seeing my parents because I want to. The kids and myself are isolating and having Covid tests beforehand to minimize any risk. I know it's wrong. I know I am being selfish but quite frankly, I'm past caring.

Sounds like you've taken lots of precautions. I don't think that's selfish at all (although, I hope you are paying privately for the tests).

@CuntyMcBollocks

As I've mentioned on a different thread, I have 2 households in my 'support bubble' which isn't allowed. My 98 Yr old great grandmother who relies on me to go round and bring her dinners, clean up etc, and my dad who has recently had a stroke and is unable to fully look after himself properly, so I help with his cooking, cleaning and shopping etc. I'll be seeing BOTH of them over Christmas as the alternative would be to leave one neglected as the 'rules' state. I will continue to see them both and help them however I can, and if people complain they need to stop being so sanctimonious, as not everything is so black and white.

But that is allowed, because they are both caring exemptions.

@Oooohbehave

I'll be seeing my parents because I want to. The kids and myself are isolating and having Covid tests beforehand to minimize any risk. I know it's wrong. I know I am being selfish but quite frankly, I'm past caring.

Not sure how it's selfish when you are taking sensible precautions.