Fed up of threads trying to justify breaking restrictions

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So sick of all these threads of its ok if I just.... if we al just.... this is all just going to go on and on. Is it really going to be the end of the world if presents are delivered a bit late if you don't see someone for another few weeks... I've had a really bad year with a very sick child and dm butI have stuck to guidelines I'm no saint and I'm sure I've slipped up at some point. I'm just sick of people thinking their situation warrants breaking the rules.

Go and polish your halo in the coronavirus topic. We all KNOW there’s a new strain of the virus (at least, that’s what Boris, the god of truth and bad hair is telling us). Keep virus talk quarantined in the coronavirus topic.

I totally agree OP. Currently not talking to my DH as he won't put his parents straight on 'why can't we just go ahead with our boxing day meet up!'
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I have a close relative with a child with cancer and she’s actually made the decision that she doesn’t want what could be his last year or two with him locked in their house not seeing anyone. The hospital basically also advised her right at the beginning to use common sense about what is best for them. So she’s had a bubble with her sister and parents including two children who are at school still and I think it was the absolute right decision for them. So even those with sick children don’t necessarily buy into the hysterical “let’s all stay at home and no one bend any rule ever or we’ll all die” philosophy.

I don't understand why it has to be a bloody competition. If I moan about facing bankruptcy then someone will pipe up and tell me I am so unreasonable as at least I have my health.
You have mental health problems? Well at least you aren't a Syrian refugee.
Going to lose your house? Well at least you aren't dying.
I wish everyone would just shut up and realise not everyone is coping. Some people need to see their families. They need a support network.
Just because you are suffering doesn't mean it trumps anyone elses suffering.

It's also worth pointing out that the rules are different depending on which part of the country you are in. It's only tier 4 that can't spend mix households at all for Christmas. Everyone else can visit other households on Christmas day but only Christmas day. A lot of so called rule breakers aren't actually breaking the rules at all.

@Beautifulbonnie

My friends 15 yr old daughter died 2 weeks ago. It was her funeral this morning. We couldn’t even hug the parents. No one outside of our own households could touch.

It’s awful.

Oh Jesus, thats so awful

So sorry for their and your loss

My social media and local groups is full of people who are not even trying to justify anything.

They are breaking the rules because they can't be arsed to follow them, or they don't apply to them.

When people start to ask if cinema/theatres/panto check your address and if they can refuse you access if you come from a tier 4 area, you can imagine the kind of CF they are.

Everyone else can visit other households on Christmas day but only Christmas day. A lot of so called rule breakers aren't actually breaking the rules at all.

so many people have translated this as "can visit anyone, restriction only apply on number at the time of the visit, and throughout the festive season, sleepovers included"

YANBU. People are selfish twats.

FFS we are in a pandemic. What part of that is difficult to understand!???
SMH

@TheSultanofPingu

Feeling overwhelmed to the point of contemplating suicide is a very damned good reason to break the rules in my opinion. Support bubbles are allowed. Please look after yourself EveryPlanet

This

People's survival isn't just about the virus and some need to make decisions about their mental health and which is the greater evil. If 'breaking the rules' doesn't put others at risk but stops you jumping off a bridge then then what's the problem?

Are deaths caused directly by Covid infection (rather than the impact of Covid lockdown) now the only ones worth counting?

I'm just amazed nobody has just told me to ring my GP yet. As if I haven't been doing that already for years .

I totally agree with you OP. Its really annoying seeing people trying to interpret rules to their advantage. Threads like my brother/sister has a newborn baby and they live about a hours drive away,but can I go and hold the baby while the child's mum cooks and has a shower (whilst the dad is wfh) and call it a support bubble for childcare!

It’s not just covid deaths that the restrictions are designed to prevent though. It never has been. It’s to control the impact on the already stretched NHS because that affects all NHS services. It’s also to control the spread because the NHS can’t operate if all the staff are off with covid, and the trains can’t operate if all the staff are off with covid, and the shops can’t open if all the staff are off with covid, and the schools can’t open if all the staff are off with covid. Essentially the country loses all functionality if the spread is not controlled and the restrictions are how it is controlled.

Yes support bubbles are allowed

But this isn’t what this thread is about. It’s the my kids are so disappointed they won’t see their cousins, I already have bought Christmas dinner, we have used our common sense to justify their selfish actions

@DonkeyMcFluff

YANBU. People are selfish twats.

Depends really. Me and my siblings lost both parents this year, are we selfish for wanting to try and get through our first Christmas without them, by being together for 1 day?

The rules are farcical and that’s the main issue really. If we were in full lockdown like we were back in the spring people would understand it more and be more likely to adhere to the rules. The whole tier system and ‘bubbles’ just leaves people feeling confused and also makes people bend the rules to fit their circumstances.

I’m in tier 3 but five minutes down the road they’re tier 2. So literally five minutes away they’re allowed to go to the pub but we aren’t. We live in a small village with low cases but purely because our postcode fits into one county rather than the other 5 mins away, it puts us into tier 3. My DH travels to work in tier 2, many of his colleagues also live in tier 3 but they still go to the pub after work in tier 2 because it’s open there. The virus doesn’t understand when someone is at work so people are understandably thinking why is it ok for me to sit in the office with you but not in the pub? I get it, it doesn’t make any sense.

Same for kids in school. They can sit in a classroom together for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week but as soon as they leave the school gates they can’t hang out? Yeah, that makes sense. Forgot covid clocks on at 3pm.

Bubbles are the biggest joke. You can form a bubble if you’re single, if you’re disabled, if you have a baby, if you need childcare and if your left toe is slightly crooked. People are obviously going to use the ‘bubble’ thing to bend the rules.

The rules are farcical and that’s the main issue really. If we were in full lockdown like we were back in the spring people would understand it more and be more likely to adhere to the rules. The whole tier system and ‘bubbles’ just leaves people feeling confused and also makes people bend the rules to fit their circumstances.

That is 100% true. Especially if you are autistic like me.

@trappedsincesundaymorn
Depends really. Me and my siblings lost both parents this year, are we selfish for wanting to try and get through our first Christmas without them, by being together for 1 day?

If you're prepared to take the chance of becoming part of a Covid chain that might cause the deaths of other people's parents then Yes, you are selfish. This is hopefully the only time this century that we will be given a challenge to show what we are made of - and sadly what's showing is that many Brits are not made of very much.

Jesus what a patronising post.

Bubbles exist for good reason. If they did not exist, for example my DP would not be able to visit me or vice versa. In his case that would mean going months at a time without any human interaction whatsoever. That simply isn't healthy for anyone, let alone someone with MH issues.

His elderly parent is bubbled with a sibling. His other parent died just before lockdown. Expecting someone to cope with bereavement and not see even 1 other person is unacceptable and thankfully the bubble rules means that this hasn't had to happen.

Those with small babies also are likely to need help and support.

Again, that's why the support bubble exists. Don't like it, move somewhere like Wuhan where they'll nail your door shut.

Grenlei I’m not sure why you keep saying “don’t like the rules, move yadda yadda yadda”. This thread is about people who are breaking the rules. Not people who are properly using the bubble rule.

trappedsincesundaymorn

I am sorry to hear you have had such a terrible year. I think there are certain circumstances when there are exceptions and those like yours or similar I think most people would totally understand if you felt you all needed to be together. Christmas can be a very emotional time when you are grieving

I'm no saint and I'm sure I've slipped up at some point

So stop judging other people?

The vast majority of transmission happens where people are following the rules. Schools, workplaces, within families. Take some time to understand this, rather than assuming that all cases are due to rule breaking.

Weren't people saying in March that it was just for a few weeks?
Weren't people saying in November that it was just for a few weeks?

It's not just a few weeks though, is it?

The post above has complained about the bubbles full stop. Not people using bubbles legally or illegally.

A lot of perceived rule breaking/ bending is because people haven't informed themselves of the rules. The number of posts on here with people stating with absolute certainty that you can't be in a bubble unless you're a single person, or you can't leave a tier to see your support bubble etc etc.