Fed up of threads trying to justify breaking restrictions

[nicknamehelp]

So sick of all these threads of its ok if I just.... if we al just.... this is all just going to go on and on. Is it really going to be the end of the world if presents are delivered a bit late if you don't see someone for another few weeks... I've had a really bad year with a very sick child and dm butI have stuck to guidelines I'm no saint and I'm sure I've slipped up at some point. I'm just sick of people thinking their situation warrants breaking the rules.

It's also possible that people do understand the rules but are pretending they don't because they need to see someone who is vulnerable but don't wish to indulge that.

I don't see threads full of people breaking restrictions, I see people asking if they can do things because the guidance isn't always clear.

And as I've said on other threads, sometimes doing something that is lawful, isn't sensible, like going on an overseas holiday.

And people being sanctimonious because they can see their families because they happen to live close to them and in the "right" tier. You're lucky, not better people.

@nicknamehelp

We’ve been there. If you saw my post above. We’ve had a death of a child. I know the long spent time on hospital wards right now

It’s so tough at normal times. But now it’s even worse. Yet people don’t think of those who aren’t on their radar

It’s like the threads who say. I’m doing it regardless. When we were looking after the terminally unwell child. No one went anywhere. Not to the shops. Not to our family. Because we were so terrified of bringing to a home with a terminally unwell child a death that would of been much quicker

Yet those who go. Oh well. I’m going. I won’t listen to our government don’t think that if you pass on corona. You not only might pass it to someone who is vulnerable

You might pass it into the carer of a terminally unwell person. Child. We couldn’t (rightfully) trust that those who were doing their food shop. Did it with that in mind. But mumsnet opened my eyes to how much people don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves and it’s fucking horrifying .

@nicknamehelp

I'm not hollier than thou but this needs to get under control for all our sakes. Perhaps some of those on here twisting rules should try living with a dc with cancer in these times and not having a families support as hospitals have to restrict visitors for the sake of others twisting the rules and this virus still being out of control.

There isn't a limited supply of empathy.

It's no different to any other law. So yes, I agree people shouldn't be asking to try and justify it, they should just own whatever decision they make.

Anyone can break the law, whether you sleep at night depends on whether you can justify it, for example you might drive at 35mph in a 30 zone regularly, if you're prepared to take 3 points and a fine, and the possibility you might cause a more severe accident should you have one, then it's your decision, but don't hide behind 'everyone does it' as an excuse, it wont fly.

The covid restrictions are similar, I think a lot of people will make pragmatic decisions based on their own circumstances. For what it's worth I think the message, if not the rules have been flawed from day one. We always should have been aiming for a reduce contact wherever possible rather than this forced isolation, relax, spread and lockdown cycle.

Personally I'm fed up of threads about coronavirus not being posted in the coronavirus topic 🙄

@YouBoughtMeAWall

Thank you. I thank every single person who has lit a candle for her. Or sending love.

I know the previous post was scathing. But I’m not in w good place and tend to take my frustration out on the wrong people.

But on the other hand. I’ve had people reach out with the kindest words.

@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire it's people in your situation who are suffering because selfish people are looking for loopholes or suddenly diagnosing themselves with mh conditions because they just can't follow rules and accept that everyone is having to make sacrifices this year.
Feeling overwhelmed is not a good enough reason to break the rules

I completely agree OP, the amount of these type of questions are quite relentless at the moment. Then when you challenge them or give them an answer they don’t like then they get annoyed. Don’t ask a stupid question and not expect to be challenged

It's funny isn't it. Back in February when Caroline Flack committed suicide everyone wouldn't stop going on about how mental health was so important and that they were there if anyone needed to talk about feeling down. Then suddenly the shit hits the fan and suddenly it's all I am so sick of people going on about mental health, shut up and stop whining, yes I know you are going to throw yourself off a bridge but I don't care you selfish tucker people have it far worse than you! Weird how fast things change.

Even a so called nurse on here took the piss and said some vile things about mental illness. That post was deleted.

I agree, having had a rant on another post about this. I have followed the rules, as have family and friends, and my reward bloody T4 restrictions, and no Christmas.

Friends medical treatment delayed, a friends family member died in lockdown 1 they couldn’t be with them,

This pandemic has shown just what a selfish society we live in

I’m sorry. But anyone who drives knowing they can cause a severe accident. Shouldn’t be on the road. Because that doesn’t just invoke you. What about the guy who drove into the back of the far wnd killed 3 young kids.

Psh.

I'm very sorry about your DD OP. Understand why you feel the way you do.

[quote Coffeehunter]@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire it's people in your situation who are suffering because selfish people are looking for loopholes or suddenly diagnosing themselves with mh conditions because they just can't follow rules and accept that everyone is having to make sacrifices this year.
Feeling overwhelmed is not a good enough reason to break the rules[/quote]
I have heard that a lot as well but I don't know anyone who has broken the rules. Everyone I know has been sticking to the rules. Not that I know many people but still 🤷‍♀️.

I'd like to ask the PPs who are saying everyone should obey the rules, no exceptions allowed, whether they are spending Christmas day by themselves (except if they chose to) or with immediate family/their partner. Because there will be people here, who will spend this day alone (not by choice) if they don't bend the rules. I'm not condoning not following the rules, but surely everyone understands that not all cases are the same. Very easy to preach when what you're preaching wouldn't affect you very much.

Feeling overwhelmed to the point of contemplating suicide is a very damned good reason to break the rules in my opinion. Support bubbles are allowed. Please look after yourself EveryPlanet

People are sticking to the rules, the problem is half the posters on here don't know or understand what the rules are, so get their knickers in a knot telling people they can't do X or Y when both X and Y are perfectly within the rules, and expressly permitted, no twisting or loopholes or whatever.

It was never under control at any point so far, including during the Summer!

@Grenlei

People are sticking to the rules, the problem is half the posters on here don't know or understand what the rules are, so get their knickers in a knot telling people they can't do X or Y when both X and Y are perfectly within the rules, and expressly permitted, no twisting or loopholes or whatever.

True that. A lot of Mumsnetters seem to think everyone lives in London .

People who suffer with their MH and are or likely to contemplate harming themselves, should be able to see and receive support from other people during the Christmas period.

Those people and their support network know who they are!

Unfortunately, some people do not understand the word ‘No’ and are just taking the P.

I guarantee you that there are people who aren’t sticking to the rules. Not even on MN are all the people sticking to the rules (street party with all the kids mixing in tier 3) so no- “people” aren’t sticking to the rules. Some people are, some people aren’t.

Oh look...another judgey corona fanatic thread

Get over yourself OP

The rules are rapidly changing and it’s not always clear if it replaces or sits alongside earlier advice. It’s also different depending on location. I have no issues with anyone seeking clarification on here but even the responses show that there is a lot of confusion and posters can give incorrect information. I don’t agree with deliberately breaking the rules but have sympathy for anyone that is struggling with them.

The thing that pisses me off is not people breaking rules themselves, but people putting immense pressure on me to break the rules... "Oh go on, come over on Boxing Day, what, do you think we've got covid? Go on, go on, go on" (in manner of Mrs. Doyle). It's fucking annoying.

No, I do not think you've got covid, but you have two kids of school age in different schools, and mine is in a third, and that's three times the risk - a threefold increase in risk I don't need to run so you can be Lady Bountiful on Boxing Day...

And breathe...

(Seriously, it's like those numpties who try to get you to have "just the one drink with food" when you've gone for dinner and said "no thanks, I'm driving." What part of "no" are they struggling with?)

I absolutely agree

There are few exceptions but they are very very few

The I have been sensible and used my common sense does not count