Some really selfish people!

[parlourpalm]

This was said by someone on the news:

"We just made the decision to leave based on the fact that my parents said come, and we couldn't bear the thought of no fresh air and a toddler going rogue round a small flat for the foreseeable," she said.

There are loads of us facing this exact situation and are just bloody well dealing with it.

@tinselearedcow
Maybe we get it but are just beyond caring now

Yes I may be selfish etc but what difference does 24hrs really make?
It's the accumulation of all the 'buts' that makes a pandemic. You're a contributor to it.

@CrotchBurn

Enough is enough now. It's been nearly a year

So what's the solution that will avoid many deaths worldwide ?

Enough is enough of people behaving like selfish fools who only care about their family. I can say it as much as I like but here you are, still being selfish.

@CrotchBurn

Enough is enough now. It's been nearly a year

Ok sure let's just wave a magic wand, it's been nearly a year.

You do realise that it's not about the death rate, which no one is denying is low. It's about the fact that if we don't have restrictions, the health service will be overwhelmed. That means people will die of treatable illnesses and accidents because hospitals will be full. That is what every government is trying to avoid.

@Christmassequins

The big issue here is the train travel. If everyone had got in separate cars and driven to their destination it would be okay

Of course the mode of travel will impact in terms of likelihood of becoming infected during travel, but to say it would be ok if everyone had just driven is nonsense. How you get somewhere doesn't affect the likelihood of spread once you arrive at your destination if you are already infected. Many of those leaving will be infected and asymptomatic. They will be taking that with them wherever they are going, and spread it once there. Now that scientists are able to identify this new fast spreading variant, it will undoubtedly begin to appear in every place those people travelled to, regardless of their mode of transport.

Well it's not nonsense is it? Taking aside the practicalities that not many people in London even have a car, if infected people went by car they would only pass it on to their families. This is a damn slight slower spread than infecting a carriage and 50+ families being infected. And I don't know the finer details of how transmission works, but if half of those infected on the train then change trains could they infect other carriages? It's a snowball effect and if people had to travel, they shouldn't be packed into trains where they could spread it or pick it up.

I just hope I don't see any of these posters refusing to follow the rules starting threads next month moaning that they've tested positive/feel awful/that their elderly relatives are desperately ill.

@tinselearedcow

I think I will scream if I see "it's not fatal in 99% of people". When will you all get it into your skulls that:

1. 1% of millions of people would be a lot;
2. It's not just about deaths, it's about the effect on the NHS and wider society if a lot of people get ill and the same time and can't go to work;
3. It is a lottery how badly people are affected, you won't know til you get it.

Do people really think the whole of Europe is shutting down at Christmas for no good reason?

It’s not 1%, it’s less than that. Most likely around 0.4%.

The NHS and wider society are not functioning now, so that’s the actual issue. Are these restrictions making it worse?

It’s not a lottery. It’s very very clear from all the evidence who is at risk of death.

I will also flout and see my dad. Cases are so low here. What ever makes people happy and i really don’t blame anyone seeing their loved one.

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland

my patience with it has run out and I'm not prepared to sacrifice my civil liberties and my children's childhoods any longer. Fuck it.

I'm starting to feel like this. I feel those focus is on restricting everyone when it should be on effectively isolating those at risk. For a huge proportion of the population this is a mild virus.

Same. And I really think a majority of ordinary people feel the same. MN can censor and take down threads all they like, but it's clear that people need their lives back and aren't going to be put up with being called selfish by sanctimonious do-gooders in big posh houses with safe jobs. Fuck that.

@RaspberryCoulis

There was just an interview with a terminally ill woman on the telly. She has cancer, she won't see next Christmas. The advice to postpone Christmas to the summer won't be any good for her either as she is likely not to be here. The government are now telling her that it's illegal for her to see her sister.

DH and I both looked at the telly and said "fuck that". Of course she should see her sister. It's fucking inhumane.

COVID IS NOT THE ONLY ILLNESS AND HEALTH CONDITION THAT PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH.

Quality of life is important too.

This is horrendous and I absolutely agree she should spend her remaining time however she wants. I can’t imagine anyone would begrudge her family contact during her time of need or feel anything but empathy for this awful situation. But this isn’t the case for the majority of us.

Yes, we are all missing family but most of us are still very fortunate. And there are several people on this thread proudly stating that people dying is a fact of life so why should they alter their lives in any way? I mean, she’s going to die anyway, why not of Covid?

I just wish that people could understand that these measures are not intended to stop anyone ‘living’. They are in place to try to protect the already ill or elderly and ensure that they live as long a life as possible.

[quote CrotchBurn]@tinselearedcow
Maybe we get it but are just beyond caring now[/quote]
Honestly, this. I used to care. Now I don't. Its been monumentally shit for the past year and now I'm putting myself, my husband and my kids first. No one gave a shit when my son with ASD was biting me every day because he couldn't stand it, or I felt like I was going mad from sleep deprivation, or I couldn't get my medication because of GP failures.

So fuck it. Fuck everyone else now.

So are we ignoring the crushing poverty that's being put upon many children, the DV that could kill them, the lack of therapies that mean that they won't speak/walk/move as they would have done?

Do we ignore that for every three people (mostly over 75 which like it or not is a natural age of death) that two people from birth upwards have died because of lock down?

That really is an I'm alright jack attitude.

My post viral CF ( 5 years now) has never been called long pneumonia, people who have ongoing health issues because of other infections aren't called long.... And have to fight for benefits. Post Cancer treatment conditions aren't called long cancer. The 'long Covid' which has only been around six months and people are recovering from faster than other post viral chronic fatigues, has once again been hiped up.

The only difference is that this is global. If you look globally, it shows that this might be another virus that we have to learn to live around. Whose really give a shit about Africa and India etc having to do that with lots of their diseases.

Exactly. Someone needs to speak for the abused, the vulnerable, those in insecure employment, single parents in high rise flats, the mentally ill and just everyone who can't fucking take it anymore.

We are staying home and having my mum over, who is in our support bubble.

I am not affected by the new rules but I despair at all the Covigilantes who are still having a go at strangers on MN and yet wouldn't say anything to friends/colleagues breaking the rules. The fact that they get a kick out of it is very distasteful.

@Tellmetruth4

Nobody ‘fled’ London and the SE based on the restrictions only announced at 4pm yesterday.

Everybody who left yesterday was already leaving/ going back home. We also have no idea when the train station pictures were actually taken.

You can’t just pack up, rock up to the train station without a pre booked ticket and find somewhere to stay in 8 hours at this time of year.

I’ve seen Hancock is on the news trying to blame Londoners for spreading the virus all over the country even though London was in Tier 2 only this week. But playing to the gallery by fuelling anti London sentiment always seems to work on some.

This entirely! Like the packed beaches everywhere and BLM protests swarms propaganda from earlier on this year.

@GlummyMcGlummerson

oh FGS who cares. If you're living in a pokey flat with a toddler and have been told you can't leave the house I'd move to my parents' as well

So would I. So would most people if they are honest.

Sometimes I think that these threads are a race to the bottom to see who can be the most miserable

I'm wondering about Sturgeon's travel ban. Are these people going to be turfed off trains at Berwick and Carlisle?

@Pinkyxx

Think being stuck in a flat with a toddler is worse? I sincerely hope you don't have to watch your child being as unwell as mine currently is with Covid19 or you'll wish you'd followed the rules.

My previously very healthy child has been ill with Covid19 for weeks now. Normally shakes stuff off easily. She's unable to get out of bed, miserable to the point of distraction, no sign of any symptoms abating. Her Christmas is shot, god knows how long it will take her to recover or if she'll make it back to school. One child in her class (who had been out shopping in London....) gave it to 12 others, my child included. Several are really unwell. And these are HEALTHY children. She took all the precautions possible and got it at school - thanks to people who simply will not curtail their lives. I'm a single parent and will be spending Christmas alone with her. My family are doing the same. We've all followed the rules and have to suffer because others insist on 'living their lives'.

Respiratory viruses can only be contained by limiting contact. The advice on how to limit is out there but the British people in their wisdom disagree. There's a theme here.... deny reality, keep mixing, blame the government, rinse, repeat. Blame Boris all you like, those refusing to limit their contact with others are CHOOSING to do so contrary to repeated advice not to.

I despair at the selfishness of this country.

I am so sorry your daughter is ill. I hope she improves soon. The selfishness is really quite heartbreaking.

If they can't bear the thought of being in a flat with a toddler they need to reflect on the choices that got them to this "unlivable" situation. First world tossers

@ForestNymph

Exactly. Someone needs to speak for the abused, the vulnerable, those in insecure employment, single parents in high rise flats, the mentally ill and just everyone who can't fucking take it anymore.

People like Julia Hartley Brewer, Neil Oliver, Peter Hitchens have been talking about this since the start but government isn't listening. I think mass civil disobedience is the only way we are EVER getting out of lockdown. Break the rules. See your family. Hug people. Have a party. We have to. We cannot go on like this - no one's life will be worth living in a few months (apart from the well-insulated wealthy middle class, but even they will start feeling the effects soon.)

@D4rwin

If they can't bear the thought of being in a flat with a toddler they need to reflect on the choices that got them to this "unlivable" situation. First world tossers

What? Like being the only thing they can afford? Not that they could've planned for a pandemic at the point of buying/renting and conceiving. Unless you think only people living in big houses with a garden should have children.

All we have to do is keep away from each other people DON't want to do that . So take the easy route and blame government Irrespective of what rules it's no safer to mix a christmas then another time.
Loads of people just won't use common sense or make sacrifices

@D4rwin

If they can't bear the thought of being in a flat with a toddler they need to reflect on the choices that got them to this "unlivable" situation. First world tossers

So you think people who live in flats shouldn't have children!? Don't be an arse.

Well they could hardly stuff their kid back up their when the pandemic hit 😂😂😂

Brieminewine
Good for them. If they left before midnight and both sides were happy then what’s the problem?

We all have to make individual risk assessments and do what feels right. For me, as front line nhs that means deciding to stay home and not visit family despite being ‘allowed’ as I don’t want to risk infecting them but I don’t begrudge others, this year has been shit for us all.

As front line nhs you shoukd be more flippin responsible about the message that you give out

@Mooballs and what message is that? That there’s more factors to consider than Covid? I see more people attending our ED with mental health crisis than I do with Covid.

If the person in the story left before midnight they are following government guidance, we know nothing of the particulars if they used public transport etc so don’t understand your outrage?