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May Hope and History Rhyme (Trump#116)

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lionheart · 19/12/2020 01:47

With thanks to Seamus Heaney for inspiring the President Elect. Smile

"History says, don't hope
On this side of the grave.
But then, once in a lifetime
The longed-for tidal wave
Of justice can rise up,
And hope and history rhyme."

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lionheart · 03/01/2021 20:05

It's an hour long and is playing on CNN and MSNBC of anyone has the will.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biden-nationalsecurity/biden-trump-aides-setting-roadblocks-for-his-transition-team-idUSKBN2921U4

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lionheart · 03/01/2021 20:08

twitter.com/i/status/1345806566885232640

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BoreOfWhabylon · 03/01/2021 20:26
Shock
lionheart · 03/01/2021 20:26

Neal Katyal.

twitter.com/i/status/1345822300478832640

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DuncinToffee · 03/01/2021 20:30

Wow Shock Trump media says it all really

there is a tape, good!

Roussette · 03/01/2021 20:31

I've listened to parts of the call. It's shocking. Surely there will be legal repurcussions

TheSilveryPussycat · 03/01/2021 20:36

My link above has some highlights of the tape.

lionheart · 03/01/2021 20:43

I see #PresidentPelosi and #Impeach are now trending.

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/01/2021 20:43

I did like the Twitter comment

The Devil went down to Georgia
He was lookin' for a soul to steal
He was in a bind 'cause he was way behind
And he was willin' to make a deal

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/01/2021 20:44

Also, Republicans saying "ah, it's edited, that's not the whole thing, it's a fix" -- guess what, kids, the whole thing is available. All hour and a bit of it.

maggiethecat · 03/01/2021 20:49

They’re going to say next that it’s fake and of course the base will believe it.
Do you think McConnell is behind its release?

DGRossetti · 03/01/2021 20:50

Given the tendencies of Trump cultists, that tape seems very harmful to Raffsberger ... they'll turn on him before they dump Trump.

DuncinToffee · 03/01/2021 20:55

Brendan Keefe @brendankeefe

@stphnfwlr is embedding more clips than haven't yet been released by The Washington Post. We're working on getting the full audio ourselves @11AliveNews and will release the whole thing as soon as we get it.
t.co/AhuXO84urq

DuncinToffee · 03/01/2021 21:05

Oh sorry, I seem to have missed quite a lot of posts and am repeating them

lionheart · 03/01/2021 21:13

Some of it needs to be repeated. Smile

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DoctorTwo · 03/01/2021 21:15

That tape! Shock Holy crap on a water biscuit (if they still exist)

lionheart · 03/01/2021 21:22

I am nine minutes in and he hasn't stopped his meandering account of all the cheating that has gone on so far.

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lionheart · 03/01/2021 21:24

'In Detroit 139% of the people voted.'

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lionheart · 03/01/2021 21:24

'In Michigan a tremendous number of dead people voted.'

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DuncinToffee · 03/01/2021 21:30

Michael R Bromwich @mrbromwich

Unless there are portions of the tape that somehow negate criminal intent, "I just want to find 11,780 votes" and his threats against Raffensperger and his counsel violate 52 U.S. Code § 20511. His best defense would be insanity.

lionheart · 03/01/2021 21:38

Most people would believe him on that score at least.

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DuncinToffee · 03/01/2021 21:40
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maggiethecat · 03/01/2021 21:41

From all this insanity with the objectors am I to believe that had the Dems not had a House majority that it’s quite possible that the election could have been overturned?
Some may say that there would be enough decent Reps in both chambers to prevent that but at this point I’m not so sure Confused

Is this realty the state of America’s democracy?

BruceAndNosh · 03/01/2021 21:46

I listened to a short portion of the tape.
Man, Trump is really pissed off.

I assumed it was taped at Raffenspergers end and they leaked it BUT the voice quality of Trump seems clearer than the Georgia end. Possibly because Trump's raising his voice and Raff is quietly spoken.
But could the leak have come from the White House?