May Hope and History Rhyme (Trump#116)

[lionheart]

With thanks to Seamus Heaney for inspiring the President Elect.

"History says, don't hope
On this side of the grave.
But then, once in a lifetime
The longed-for tidal wave
Of justice can rise up,
And hope and history rhyme."

From the piece about Burgess Owens:

In his interview, Owens cited a theory that 42,000 votes were counted twice in Nevada, which state officials have denied.

Easy enough to prove or disprove. Count the number of actual votes you have in hand (they do keep a paper trail, right?) and tally them against the number of votes recorded as having been cast for each candidate, plus the number which were declared void for whatever reason. (They do keep a note of those, right?)

If the two numbers match, none was counted twice. If they don't, but the difference is in the tens rather than the tens of thousands, then 42,000 have not been counted twice.

Only if there is a discrepancy between ballot-papers-we-have and votes-which-were-counted showing more than 40,000 more votes counted than ballot papers which were cast, is there a problem.

So McConnell doesn't have a total grip on the GOP senate after all.

This will come to nothing but sets a really bad precedent.

Also won't they be objecting to their own election results??

NEWS: Roughly a dozen Republican senators are in talks to join Missouri Senator Josh Hawley in objecting to the electoral college results when congress meets Wednesday, according to multiple Republican sources familiar with the ongoing talks. w/@edokeefe @alanhe

The list is expected to include Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), Mike Braun (R-IN) and incoming senators Bill Hagerty (TN), Tommy Tuberville (AL) and Cynthia Lummis (WY). The incoming senators all shared the ballot with @realDonaldTrump.
twitter.com/ardenfarhi/status/1345404477839446017?s=21

The TL;DR of all this is that the Constitution appears to have held up. Battered and bruised, but it didn't render and allow chaos to reign.

I find it slightly patronising and insulting when people suggest the Founding Fathers were naive in their creation. I think they were well aware of how power corrupts - after all they'd just defeated Britain, which was kinda the poster child for such.

power corrupts
that is the fundamental truth which we must always keep in mind and from which it all flows

So what's the thinking on the results of the Georgia run offs?

can't wait for the end of this phase of the shitshow

@Soopermum1

So what's the thinking on the results of the Georgia run offs?

No idea.

But you'd probably hear me laughing across the Atlantic if both seats went to the Dems. Partly from a feeling that it would make the current UK governments position even more uncomfortable.

TheNorthWestPawsage
So McConnell doesn't have a total grip on the GOP senate after all.

I think this may be precisely what McConnell intended in his power-struggle with Trump about who is now in charge of what happens in the Senate. He did after all speak strongly in favour of passing this bill, for the sake of the service men and women and because there is a 59-year precedent for it.

@Soopermum1

So what's the thinking on the results of the Georgia run offs?

I think it's pretty up in the air, TBH. I wouldn't bet a nickel on the outcome the way things are. I'm hoping and praying, but I think it's anybody's ballgame right now.

We've already learnt that poll numbers mean jack-shit. You could have a huge number of Repugs in the new voters and/or the vote by mail requests or they could be Dems. You could have a huge number of Repugs listening to the latest conspiracy theories and 'showing how corrupt the GA elections are by not voting' (I still don't get the logic on that one) or they may show up in droves.

Hey, maybe they'll all have set off to Washington for Trump's demo and won't remember to vote at all!

themindshield.com/speaker-nancy-pelosis-home-vandalized-with-red-paint-graffiti-and-severed-pigs-head/

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Hey, maybe they'll all have set off to Washington for Trump's demo and won't remember to vote at all!

From your fingers to God's laptop screen.

The runoff is 5 Jan and the joint session is 6 Jan. To get the count finalized & certified and the winners sworn in and then get them to DC in time is going to interesting to watch.

Right now the count is 51 GOP and 46 Dem + 2 Independents, so 51/48. If the Dems take the runoffs they're going to need to bust ass to get them to DC on time.

[quote lionheart]themindshield.com/speaker-nancy-pelosis-home-vandalized-with-red-paint-graffiti-and-severed-pigs-head/[/quote]
Pelosi voted FOR the $2000.

You'll never convince me this was Antifa or anything like it. Sounds like a PB stunt to throw blame on 'The Left' to me.

[quote lionheart]themindshield.com/speaker-nancy-pelosis-home-vandalized-with-red-paint-graffiti-and-severed-pigs-head/[/quote]
Well that sounds like a false flag incident. Otherwise someone is very confused.

thehill.com/homenews/news/532362-proud-boys-to-attend-jan-6-dc-rallies-incognito

www.axios.com/multiple-senators-oppose-certify-election-results-c5f0610c-91e0-4431-abbe-91b4d860dfd4.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

'A growing number of Republican senators — led by Ted Cruz — announced today they also will object to certifying state Electoral College votes on Wednesday and called for resurrecting an Electoral Commission to conduct an emergency audit of the results.

Why it matters: Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had hoped to avoid the spectacle of his party leading a last-ditch effort to prevent Joe Biden from being declared the 2020 election winner, but Josh Hawley of Missouri said he would raise a general objection and now other Republican senators plan to air more specific grievances.

Driving the news: Cruz, who, like Hawley, is thought to be considering a 2024 presidential bid, released a statement this afternoon announcing his plans, shortly after Axios first reported about them. Several other GOP senators are now expected to follow in a coordinated effort they consider distinct from Hawley's.'

Bunch of idiots.

Things are fairly dire if Mitch McConnell is able to pose as the voice of reason, I feel.

Or if Cruz thinks he can run for President.

I guess McConnell's home was vandalized, too, but 'just' graffiti.

www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2021/01/02/mitch-mcconnells-louisville-home-vandalized-after-block-2-k-checks/4112137001/

“This is different," he continued. "Vandalism and the politics of fear have no place in our society." (underlining mine)

Really, Mitch? Seriously? How tone deaf can one man possibly be?

"Members of the far-right group the Proud Boys will attend Washington, D.C., rallies for President Trump on Jan. 6 "incognito," with leaders of the group saying they will dress in "all BLACK" to mimic the attire of anti-fascist groups and counterprotesters."

Sooo, they're telling us what they're going to be wearing when they're 'incognito'?

Not the sharpest tools in the shed, are they?

Pence, who has been AWOL lately, is still up Trump's arse then...

Jim Acosta
@Acosta
Statement from VP Pence Chief of Staff Marc Short:
“Vice President Pence shares the concerns of millions of Americans about voter fraud and irregularities in the last election....”

@Acosta
Short statement continued: “The Vice President welcomes the efforts of members of the House and Senate to use the authority they have under the law to raise objections and bring forward evidence before the Congress and the American people on January 6th.”

And here's a relevant comment on all of this...

ALL these GOP-electeds have shown us that there’s nothing they won't choose over raw political power

Not honesty, democracy, the American experiment, public health, or our very lives

NOTHING

This is not a phase. This won't cease once Trump departs the WH

This is who they are

They are (mostly) looking after their own arses seats coming up for re-election in 2022 or starting the 2024 jockeying for position. They want Trump's cult members to see them as his anointed successor. They are morally reprehensible.

Really worth a read. Steve Schmidt (founding member of Lincoln Project, He is a communications and public affairs strategist who has worked on several Republican campaigns, including John McCain's 2008 bid for the White House, and he is now a regular political contributor to MSNBC.) has written 'an epic 16 tweet evisceration of all the Republicans who plan to object to the certification of the Electoral College)

Here it is in easy to read form.

www.maxnewstoday.com/post/steve-schmidt-shame-on-them-all

"Sedition is the precise word, and the right word, to describe what we have been witnessing. Never before have so many American leaders betrayed their country. We will watch their eternal disgrace on live TV. The evidence of their ignominy will exist forever, as will the memory of their monumental betrayal.

Shame on them all"

John Pavlovitz pulls no punches

johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/24/white-evangelicals-people/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=johnpavlovitz