We’re going to lose everything..

[Worriednow77]

Are we going to end up with nothing, as a country? No businesses will be left and where will the money come from to fund us all?
Wuhan and other countries look practically back to normal, with no vaccine. Why are we having the vaccine but also being told social distancing etc won’t end? What’s the point?! What’s the plan...I feel like we’re all just drifting into something

[quote parallax80]I do think more work needs to be done in finding the actual people who are most at risk. I noticed that whilst some families and extended families all caught it. They breezed through it and came out the other end whist other families lost a few family members.

In case anyone is interested, latest report from GenOMICC (a long running study in UK critical care to try and identify genetic determinants of critical illness)

www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03065-y[/quote]
What I find really puzzling is how often you hear of a husband and wife living together, where one has contracted Covid and become quite ill, and the other repeatedly tests negative. There is clearly some underlying natural immunity element but all we get are the daily death statistics and infections, neither of which are particularly accurate figure (we need average age of death and not just those who die within 28 days of a positive test).

@Worriednow77

Apologies, definitely not trying to be pessimistic, but genuinely cannot see how lockdowns etc are being allowed to continue with what this is doing to the country

I don’t know why realists get such a hard time here.

You’re absolutely right OP.

Nowhere is back to normal. You can’t trust figure info from China. And other countries are struggling and having to keep enforcing and lifting measures. This will go on for a good while until we’ve got an injection that works and most people have had it - worldwide.

But yes the future is quite scary. Brexit on its own (with a deal) would’ve been heard, but throwing in a massive virus and no deal makes it like a nightmare. But hey ho, it will give people something to wave flags for on New Years Eve.

PlanDeRaccordement

The unsaid part of the negotiation is that fisheries are highly strategic because they represent food supply - either to trade or to withhold to feed one's own nation.

This is seen in one of the key Brexit fears - fresh food supply.

[quote Worriednow77]@perditaplum Not at all! Usually a very optimistic person, but..look around?[/quote]
I don't really see any problem when I 'look around'. And I don't live in a wealthy area by any means.
I'm not saying there are no problems anywhere in the country, but I don't think the majority of people are living in a disaster zone like continuosly gets painted on mumsnet.
Will have to wait and see have to see how brexit turns out, but I'm willing to bet it won't be anywhere near as bad as people are predicting on here.

@Beautifulbonnie

We had an easier lockdown. Exercise. Shopping. Pubs. Drinking. Parties. Going out for tea etc

We’ve been going 9 months.

If you were finding parties and open pubs in lockdown, you were very lucky.

The government’s handling of it will put it in the history books.

And it absolutely a future historical event. It has rocked the world.

We need to protect the vulnerable, but learn to live with it

Actually that's probably what we needed to do from the start, but thoroughly irresponsible reporting from the media - plus SM of course - has created a level of panic that's not easy to row back from

I only hope, by the time the next virus comes along (and it will) that we'll have learned something about how not to handle things

I think a lot of countries that we consider to have handled the pandemic well are actually having problems at the moment. I was reading in the paper yesterday that places like Taiwan, Japan and even Germany (I think they had more cases than us on Wednesday) are seeing cases rising massively so comparisons with other countries are pointless (IMVHO).

@GroundAlmonds

You think we are in it bad now. Wait for Brexit in Jan. Then the electorate will truly get what they voted for.

Stop being evil to people with obvious anxiety.

It won’t be that bad OP. I heard milk and aluminium foil are the likeliest shortages. It’s a bump. We will get over it and we will be okay. Just get a fortnight’s shipping in and sit tight.

Milk? Yeah cos the massive number of cows in the UK are going to stop producing milk on 1st January. FFS.

I'm sure having armed police alters people's behaviour. Maybe that's what people want here.

China - a snippet about President Mao from not too distant history - it was very much a closed country so the west wasn't greatly knowledgeable at the time.
In 1958, he launched the Great Leap Forward that aimed to rapidly transform China's economy from agrarian to industrial, which led to the deadliest famine in history and the deaths of 15–55 million people between 1958 and 1962. China is not like the UK.

Trust me, things aren't all great in China.

@Puzzledandpissedoff - I totally agree.

The extent to which people have been whipped up into a frenzt, one would think that this had a 99.97% fatalaity rate, not survival rate.

If people were this sensitive to the longevity of life, then we would have far less smokers and obese people in society. It has hit a nerve with people, and the media have run with it.

It highlights how controlled people are by what they read, and the ability of rational thinking is in the minority.

The ONS has been the basis of my thought processes, and the data they show, varies massively to the Scewed -Y- axis graphs we were shown.

50,000 cases a day did not materilse in any way shape or form. Why has this not been challenged or questioned, by what is at the moment an absolute silent opposition party

@Kissthepastrychef

Where is the universal income coming from ?

Wealth tax on the billionaires? The people who own vast tracts of UK land?

GroundAlmonds
Stop being evil to people with obvious anxiety.

It won’t be that bad OP. I heard milk and aluminium foil are the likeliest shortages. It’s a bump. We will get over it and we will be okay. Just get a fortnight’s shipping in and sit tight.

Thank you for this. I tend to avoid reading these threads because of my anxiety (I didn't realise what this one would be about when I clicked on it), there are so many and they are all so negative I just can't cope with it.

I increasingly feel that the only way to escape it is to just end my life.

I don't think people think before they post how it might affect those who are struggling.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

We need to protect the vulnerable, but learn to live with it

Actually that's probably what we needed to do from the start, but thoroughly irresponsible reporting from the media - plus SM of course - has created a level of panic that's not easy to row back from

I only hope, by the time the next virus comes along (and it will) that we'll have learned something about how not to handle things

I agree; all this doomongering has been deliberately engineered to make people overly fearful and therefore compliant.

It would be quite possible to present the news in a way which emphasised that the average age of death is 82, or to change the reporting covid deaths from anyone dieing within 28 days of a positive death (even if they die of something else) but no, as usual, the tv news and newspapers seem as if written for children, making everything (far too) simple.

This is an illness that nearly everyone who gets it survives, unless they are already very ill and frail. Yes, there is long covid, but there are similar long term complications from pneumonia and flu.

I'm going to predict that the future will determine that the lockdowns and restrictions caused more harm than good and prolonged the course of the virus while causing more people to die early from other causes.

Totally agree.. im personally done with caring about gov advise.. boris and his advisers dont have a scooby about what to do.. i think they need to look at other countries and realise slowly people are losing faith because a year later were still in the same spot. The first lockdown was never that strict.. there tier system is a load of shit because its clearly not working.. i mean i live in london and work in cambridge.. so jumping from tier 2 and 3 weekly and you can imagine how many others have to do the same. Furthermore its going to be people my age who will pay for this in years to come.. its tragic

@Annabellesdad

I work in the cycling industry, and we import our own brand of E bikes, we sold a container full in less than 2 weeks. we haven't had lights in stock for 3 weeks because we cant restock fast enough, it has been a great year business wise.

I'm very pleased to see that cycling is more popular but we also need government to make more provision for cyclists, as someone from the industry do you see this happening?

@JustTitOff

GroundAlmonds Stop being evil to people with obvious anxiety.

It won’t be that bad OP. I heard milk and aluminium foil are the likeliest shortages. It’s a bump. We will get over it and we will be okay. Just get a fortnight’s shipping in and sit tight.

Thank you for this. I tend to avoid reading these threads because of my anxiety (I didn't realise what this one would be about when I clicked on it), there are so many and they are all so negative I just can't cope with it.

I increasingly feel that the only way to escape it is to just end my life.

I don't think people think before they post how it might affect those who are struggling.

And this is why these predominantly negative threads aren't helpful!!

I completely understand the feeling of overwhelming fear, my life has been full of it, but spreading the fear and multiplying the fear by having others nodding along serves no purpose bar exacerbating it.

@JustTitOff my antidote to Mumsnet is real life no.1 ie. talking to people whilst out and about plus my friends/associates. But also podcasts or audible books. I get on with mundane tasks whilst listening to academic discussions or works of fiction and it’s wonderfully calming.

You’re welcome @JustTitOff - Please don’t ever hurt yourself based on anything you read online.

don't think people think before they post how it might affect those who are struggling.

Maybe if they’re told a few times, they’ll start thinking.

@BabyLlamaZen

Trust me, things aren't all great in China.

I completely believe you but can you elaborate?

The problem is, nothing here has been taken seriously enough since day 1. It's all very well saying we have to stay at home etc - and the March lockdown was definitely observed better than the latest one - but at the end of the day, nothing was being done to people who were breaking the rules.

Through the whole thing my neighbours on both sides were having visitors inside their homes (not bubbles) even though one of them is 'terrified' of the virus. People were going shopping for none essentials and posting shit online like 'is chocolate essential coz I'm going to get some' as if we really need people making unnecessary trips. Yeah, get chocolate as part of your weekly food shop if you need to, but nipping to the shop every 5 minutes for snacks only increases your potential exposure.

My DP works in the funeral industry so is seeing the 'results' of this pandemic first hand, yet in the first lockdown families were kicking off about not being allowed to carry the coffin or touch the coffin or hug each other .. even when their loved one died of covid and they could see why they shouldn't. My DP and many others in his company ended up with the virus because families simply weren't respecting the rules. One died, he was 56 and otherwise healthy. DP was off work for 3 months because lifting a coffin (which was a large part of his job) left him so breathless he almost passed out.

Because people don't THINK about the long term consequences. They just think 'I'll probably be fine' but that's a shit attitude to have at the moment, and I'm seeing it so much again now over the Christmas situation.

The second lockdown was just a joke. I'm sure the third in January will be the same.

Life is full of ups and downs. I've been doing family history during the pandemic. At the moment, I'm looking at an ancestor whose husband broke the law, she was thrown into the workhouse, separated from her children, and then sent to a lunatic asylum for twenty years. Even my parents had a tough time - my dad lived through two world wars, and was almost killed in the second, then the value of his pension was totally lost in the inflation in the 1970s, so he was working until he was 70+.

When I was a child in the 1960s, I knew children with no shoes living in freezing homes, and others crippled by polio. Then there was the three-day week and power cuts. This was followed by fear of the nuclear threat, AIDS, high unemployment etc etc. I personally spent a few months living in a hostel, which was pretty dire.

I really feel for anyone suffering at the moment. But these events happen all the time in history, and it'll pass. We can't do much about it, so we just have to do what we can personally influence. eg buy from local shops, get a takeaway if we can afford it, help others with their shopping, volunteer etc etc

@endofthelinefinally

I think the fall out from this, and a no deal brexit, will be worse than the 2nd world war. Mass unemployment, food and medicine shortage and an extremely polarised society. We are seeing it already. Those at the top making a fortune and getting away with massive corruption, and, at the other end of the scale, increasing numbers homeless, without education, relying on food banks. It is like watching a huge car crash in slow motion. It will take a long, long time to come back from this.

I agree @endofthelinefinally

It is the combination of Covid and Brexit (both worse than they actually needed to be due to appalling management by the Govt) that is SO damaging.

And, yes, perhaps not worse than the fallout from WW2, but economically it might be similar. Socially perhaps worse, as at least during WW2 most of the public felt they were working together on the side of good. There was a clear enemy and a clear wrong to be addressed. Obviously that is simplistic, it wasn't quite that straightforward, but this has polarized society even further and that never leads to a good outcome for anyone except the very top few.