We’re going to lose everything..

[Worriednow77]

Are we going to end up with nothing, as a country? No businesses will be left and where will the money come from to fund us all?
Wuhan and other countries look practically back to normal, with no vaccine. Why are we having the vaccine but also being told social distancing etc won’t end? What’s the point?! What’s the plan...I feel like we’re all just drifting into something

@Worriednow77

And how is Wuhan back to normal with no vaccine?

Because they actually had a lockdown. What you're experiencing is not a lockdown. You've never had a lockdown.

"UK has a circus of inept nepotistic thieves who do not give one toss about anything but their own dividends."

This with bells on. The "economy" turned out to have less than 3 months resilience in it, and public services had already been systematically asset stripped to the point they could barely function. That is why we are in this mess.

I am not without hope though. Darkest before the dawn and all that. Businesses will reshape, that's what entrepreneurialism is, different ways of doing things will emerge.

Not sure how the "China had a proper lockdown" works, since countless flights are still going there from all over the world. If we insist that the virus is still being spread by travel then surely the Chinese will also be getting infected by arrivals, quarantine or not?

And yes, there'll certainly be a lot of problems here - but ironically those moaning loudest will probably be the very ones shouting loudest for lockdowns, furlough and all the rest

China has been vaccinating their people for weeks. Google it!

Is Wuhan back to normal?

There were pictures of the place on my news feed last week.
The place was deserted. Nothing was open.
People weren’t living their lives.

Didnt people get welded into their homes without food. I wonder how many of them survived?

The problem is the government is trying to keep businesses open whilst also trying to keep people at home and failing at both.

I think that lockdowns made the situation worse. I think after the last lockdown which seemed to drive the numbers up not down I think we should open up everything and get on with it. If people don’t want to go out to work then that is fine they can stay at home and those who want to can do the work and get everything moving again.

Yes the infection rates would go up but then they would fall naturally. Those at risk are getting the vaccine first and it isn’t exactly a dangerous disease to those with no health complaints under the age of 40. Even if you are really old and really ill the likelihood is that you will survive and if you are isolating before you get the vaccine then you should be safe.

I do think more work needs to be done in finding the actual people who are most at risk.
I noticed that whilst some families and extended families all caught it. They breezed through it and came out the other end whist other families lost a few family members.
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And those of us over 40?🤨like half of the population...

Because they actually had a lockdown. What you're experiencing is not a lockdown. You've never had a lockdown.

I expect you’d agree Spain had a lockdown. Look at them.

The difference is T&T. And pesky EU data privacy laws.

I honestly think many of the people that start these threads have poor mental health/anxiety. My life and most people I know have continued with their lives. Their homes aren’t under threat and whilst some have had to take s cut in hours or pay, they are still not feeling like everything is about to tumble down. They are stoic and optimistic.

The only place I hear this level of hysteria is Mumsnet.

@TheKeatingFive @MarshaBradyo

I was simply answering the question, definitely didn't say that's what I wanted. People here didn't want to do what was asked of them and kept meeting others and having parties and the virus spread. The people of Wuhan didn't and the virus didn't have the chance to spread as widely. That's the difference. Irrespective of why.

On a macro level the national debt, unemployment and projected increase in national debt levels make sobering reading.

Have any of you had to attend A&E recently? In and out in half an hour. Normal times it's a 5 hour wait where I am. Hospitals don't seem overwhelmed to me.

But then again I'm not sitting at home 'working' on a nice pay packet, or in a booming on-line business, so perhaps think differently.

This virus isn't going way. The original lockdown was designed to protect NHS capacity, not eradicate the virus. People seem to forget that. You can't eradicate it unless you shut us all indoors and close the borders, until it's gone. How that works when locking everyone in means no electricity, water, food etc as key workers out and about will keep spreading it.... So?????

We need to protect the vulnerable, but learn to live with it. Destroying the economy is not the answer. Endless lockdowns are killing the economy, but not actually stopping the virus. We need a government that looks at the whole picture, we do not need to be run by unelected risk adverse scientists whose projections have been proven again and again to be way off. Their models also fail to take into account the number of non-covid deaths arising from denial of medical care. Appalling.

People here didn't want to do what was asked of them and kept meeting others and having parties and the virus spread.

That’s not actually true. Compliance in the first lockdown was very high in the U.K., far higher than expected. Numbers in the summer were extremely low.

They couldn’t keep them low is the issue, because T&T just doesn’t work as well.

@justanotherneighinparadise

I honestly think many of the people that start these threads have poor mental health/anxiety. My life and most people I know have continued with their lives. Their homes aren’t under threat and whilst some have had to take s cut in hours or pay, they are still not feeling like everything is about to tumble down. They are stoic and optimistic.

The only place I hear this level of hysteria is Mumsnet.

Thats a really strange post justanotherneighbourinparadise.

I personally don't mind that mumsnet mirrors people that I know in real life well at all. Mumsnetters are far more risk averse avid-rule followers who seem more keen than the average person to be scared of Covid-19, possibly because they are more likely to sit on the internet rather than being out there doing things.

But suggesting someone has MH issues for wanting to discuss the most current topic of the day, whilst we live under unprecedented conditions is just very, very odd.

I also take it that you don't know any people running small businesses, any students or any young people struggling to find work. Off the top of my head, I know a family who run a business providing busses to take children to school which is under threat, and 2 restaurant owners, plus a cafe owner whose business has gone under. All of them have used their own homes to secure their business borrowing, as is standard, and all risk losing their homes. Meanwhile, I know a young professional couple with a baby whose entire last 6 months has been spent under threat of redundancy due to restructuring.

We live in very hard times and these people are still being as "stoic" as they can be and not in the least "hysterical" despite facing losing everything they have ever worked for. How lucky you and your friends must be to weather this crisis with a cut in hours or pay that doesn't trouble them!

honestly think many of the people that start these threads have poor mental health/anxiety. My life and most people I know have continued with their lives. Their homes aren’t under threat and whilst some have had to take s cut in hours or pay, they are still not feeling like everything is about to tumble down. They are stoic and optimistic.

Yup, one of the I'm alright Jack crowd. Nice.

There're many of us who have lost everything, and whose staff consequently have too. We're not hysterical, we're just not insulated from realities hence are looking at the macro level. On the plus side it isn't going to be me funding the repayment of the national debt, because I don't have anything left. It might be you though?

My sister is in a country where they have no real Covid either. But again. They had severe lockdown for 12 weeks. You weren’t allowed outside your hone. They had more police. People got massive fines for being out. Every single person HAS to wear a mask out. If you can wear a mask you don’t go out or get someone to go out for you.

I wouldn’t say China were a particularly democratic country are they? But they are stricter. More police. More consequences. Etc.

This is the third post this morning that is predicting the sky falling in. I think there is definitely a poor mental health aspect and whilst I have sympathy, i don’t think it’s particularly useful beyond naval gazing.

We had an easier lockdown. Exercise. Shopping. Pubs. Drinking. Parties. Going out for tea etc

We’ve been going 9 months.

Wuhan welded people into their own homes. Do we really know what’s going on there now - their media is tightly controlled.

Things are shit here. It’s tough and people have and are suffering but furlough has been extended for longer and hopefully we’ll get back on our feet. Some people have profited obscenely just as they do during war. If there are mass evictions and food banks run out we’ll have to take to the streets but let’s hope political pressure works in the first instance. I know this experience has opened up a lot of people’s eyes to the poverty and debt in their communities. We’re going to be going through a massive reset come January 1st. I’m trying to live in the now.

@applegreenpetrol

honestly think many of the people that start these threads have poor mental health/anxiety. My life and most people I know have continued with their lives. Their homes aren’t under threat and whilst some have had to take s cut in hours or pay, they are still not feeling like everything is about to tumble down. They are stoic and optimistic.

Yup, one of the I'm alright Jack crowd. Nice.

There're many of us who have lost everything, and whose staff consequently have too. We're not hysterical, we're just not insulated from realities hence are looking at the macro level. On the plus side it isn't going to be me funding the repayment of the national debt, because I don't have anything left. It might be you though?

I’m sure it will be us. Isn’t it lucky we’re here and still feeling positive!

That’s not actually true. Compliance in the first lockdown was very high in the U.K., far higher than expected. Numbers in the summer were extremely low.

True. Also it is incredibly hard to do test and trace effectively. People think it should be easy but it’s not. All European countries show this.

I do think more work needs to be done in finding the actual people who are most at risk. I noticed that whilst some families and extended families all caught it. They breezed through it and came out the other end whist other families lost a few family members.

In case anyone is interested, latest report from GenOMICC (a long running study in UK critical care to try and identify genetic determinants of critical illness)

www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03065-y

@Oliversmumsarmy I am not sure about wuhan but there are other asian countries who did not weld people in their apartments who are now open for business. My parents in singapore are going for a staycation in a 5 star hotel, all the shops and restaurants and swimming pools and gyms are open. Each household can receive up to 5 visitors, and people can go out in groups of 5. Only 29 deaths. My parents are shocked at the restrictions that i am currently living under.

I think taiwan is even more relaxed, i saw an article a few months where public performances were allowed while uk was in semi lockdown.

Western countries have not handled it well with the exception of new zealand.

The other thing we have not seen is police on the streets or forms. Europe had this (has it now) and still it did not stop the same second wave looming.

I think we did well to get numbers so low without all these extra measures - keeping dc inside, police patrolling, China style lock down.

I would choose this over all that.

I am not sure about wuhan but there are other asian countries who did not weld people in their apartments who are now open for business.

Most of them have a very different attitude to data privacy than Western Europe and therefore far more tools at their disposal for Track and Trace.

I think we did well to get numbers so low without all these extra measures - keeping dc inside, police patrolling, China style lock down.

I would choose this over all that.

Totally agree with all of this

I don’t even think this is the pandemic that’s going to prove to be worthy of the history books. It stands to reason that with overpopulation they’ll be another one in time and I’m hopeful the lessons learned this time might prove useful.