We’re going to lose everything..

[Worriednow77]

Are we going to end up with nothing, as a country? No businesses will be left and where will the money come from to fund us all?
Wuhan and other countries look practically back to normal, with no vaccine. Why are we having the vaccine but also being told social distancing etc won’t end? What’s the point?! What’s the plan...I feel like we’re all just drifting into something

Greenland we needed it to comply to what was asked. And most do.

But when the phase 1 vaccine is done this messaging will flip. It’ll be interesting to see I can’t quite imagine it. But I think it’ll be swift and we’ll spend and go out as much as we can without thought to the virus anymore.

@Thisismylife1 Get real even if the UK had wanted to take draconian measures (which they never would) we wouldn't have the police and armed forces to "enforce" this - we have far less police per head of population than France/Spain (who have large paramilitary police forces) let alone China.

Three vaccines coming on stream, spring on its way and we will soon see that Brexit is not apocalyptic.

All this worry about social distancing & shopping slots will soon be less important.

@MarshaBradyo

Proper lockdown and proper test and trace could have nailed it. We are an island. It should have been easy.

No we still have road freight which is different to other islands. How would you have contained this?

The virus was here very early so when would you have started lock down?

I stocked up with masks in January and by early feb had effectively locked down. We are an island i suggested effectively cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world banning all entry to the UK and was called a racist then. Those same people aren't looking so clever now. This was an obvious train wreck coming and we could have handled it much better.

The first lock down firstly wasn’t strict enough. My partner works in a supermarket and he said people were in two/three times a day, no masks, no distancing it was a mess.
Secondly the government wasted the time they had in the first lock down to get testing, track and trace etc in place. But we live in a country people love to argue protest and exercise their rights so being locked down wuhan style was never going to be an option because people needed to still be able to jog.
It will get better slowly but don’t expect a normal Britain with brexit coming our normal will not be the same again. But that’s not to say it won’t be all doom and gloom

@BadTattoosAndSmellLikeBooze

Can you imagine people’s reactions here if we had a lockdown like in Wuhan? People here were claiming it was like being under Nazi rule because they weren’t able to go to Primark. 🙄

It's amazing. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Does the majority of the populace really need to be told what to do and what not to do constantly? I go out when I need to, walk my dog in quiet places, maintain good hygiene and keep a reasonable distance from others.

Just because the Govt says you can, read it as "I can if I really feel I must and I will take that risk". Not "I can, so I must".

@GoWokeGoBroke

Whilst I agree vaccines don’t cause autism, the swine flu vaccine has been scientifically proven to have caused narcolepsy in adults and children who were administered it. This new vaccine has been rushed, animal trials totally skipped over, known effects brushed under the carpet all to win the race to be the first Covid vaccination. There is not enough money in the world to persuade me to take this vaccine.

Absolute bullshit. You should be ashamed posting this conspiracy theory nonsense.

I agree @WinterIsGone. I’ve lived through three recessions and I’m still alive to tell the tale.

I watched a documentary on the Battle of Britain earlier this year and my god the tears streaming down my face at the end. Our ancestors have lived through absolute horrors and we shouldn’t forget our blessings even when times are crap. They are short term crap not forever crap.

@MarshaBradyo

Greenland we needed it to comply to what was asked. And most do.

But when the phase 1 vaccine is done this messaging will flip. It’ll be interesting to see I can’t quite imagine it. But I think it’ll be swift and we’ll spend and go out as much as we can without thought to the virus anymore.

But ever-greater compliance simply seems to lead to ever more lockdowns. We have just finished our "circuit breaker" lockdown in December now that the NHS has not been saved.

The way things are going is that the vaccines are going to be too slow to save more people dieing from other causes due to lack of health care and due to the economic fallout of lockdowns.

I'm predicted to get the vaccine at the end of June, but I know thats unlikely because already the vaccine daily targets to make that date aren't being complied with.

So its likely we will be locked down in some form or other well into 2021, and I wouldn't be surprised if the winter of 2022 saw some limited form of lockdown for "monitoring purposes". If the virus mutates in the way that flu does, the present vaccines will be insufficient and off we go again into the lockdown merry-go-round.

Once you get into this never ending circuit of lockdowns and bypassing basic human rights, its very very difficult to escape from.

Greenland what are the vaccine daily targets and how far are we under it?

@GroundAlmonds

Three vaccines coming on stream, spring on its way and we will soon see that Brexit is not apocalyptic.

This. It will be ok. Have faith. It is not the end, even though we feel it might be, it's not. The show must go on. Never underestimate our capacity for adaptation. Things have and are, changing, but we will adapt, as we always have.

@PicsInRed

PlanDeRaccordement

The unsaid part of the negotiation is that fisheries are highly strategic because they represent food supply - either to trade or to withhold to feed one's own nation.

This is seen in one of the key Brexit fears - fresh food supply.

Yes, agree they are essential for food, but U.K. only eats 20% of its EU quota preBrexit. Not sure they can replace vegetables with fish?

You also have to remember that there's no such thing as "money" - it's just a measure of wealth RELATIVE to other countries, hence the exchange rates rise/fall when one country does better than another.

If ALL countries are being hit by Covid to similar extents, then no country does better/worse than others, so ultimately each country's "wealth" shouldn't change. The real killer comes when some countries are effected more/less than others, and, when some countries come out of Covid better/worse than others. That's when exchange rates, asset values, etc will strengthen/worsen.

As long as the UK isn't being affected drastically more than our main trading partners, and as long as we come out of Covid at a similar time, and similar speed, to our trading partners, we should be OK and should avoid complete financial catastophe. We've basically got to hope that other countries do just as badly as us, and are borrowing similar levels of debt to pay for it than we are.

Obviously, that's "MACRO" level, and at micro level, then yes, some individuals, some businesses, etc will be affected badly, some will have benefitted, hopefully most will be pretty neutral.

[quote isitsnowingyet]@GoWokeGoBroke

Maybe try actually checking some facts about the Covid vaccine instead of more scaremongering.

I'm a nurse, age 59, still working with rheumatoid arthritis on some fancy drugs for that. I actually trust science (have to, otherwise I would be screwed).

I will be first in line for the vaccine when it is offered.[/quote]
Thank you. I'm so sick and tired of the anti-vax idiots and the "I will wait & sees". Selfish and stupid.

A Brexit deal will get done. It’s obvious both sides want a deal and they’re trying to hash out the best one that looks like both sides won and no one looks weak.

@MarshaBradyo

Greenland what are the vaccine daily targets and how far are we under it?

There is a vaccine calculator which the government has produced to tell you when you will get the vaccine based on your personal characteristics - age, health, job, etc.. Its worth a google as it gives you all that information.

I was feeling quite hopeful and optimistic before I read this post :(

Ok thanks. I’m hoping that Oxford vaccine will come on board. And we will increase capacity. Even without it we’ll probably still increase capacity. I am more optimistic than some but if I’m wrong will deal with it as it comes.

Wuhan is 'back to normal' because China is a totalitarian state that locks up people who don't follow rules. We are not. I also don't believe their figures for the same reason.

Many businesses will fold, which is tragic. But many more will start and be more geared towards our new future. We will recover. It just might take some time.

Whether we like it or not, this pandemic has been the greatest threat to us since the last war. And it is an enemy like none we've seen before. To expect life to be normal is unrealistic. All we can do is to survive the best way we can, and help those who are struggling.

I’m pretty sure the vaccine has enough behind it to be safe the government may have made mistakes but vaccines is a whole other thing. You may not want it each to their own but let’s not scare people. We have enough knowledge in the fields of vaccines to know what needs to be done. I was pregnant in may I was told to get the flu jab and the whooping cough jab. I didn’t think twice because I trust the science I trust our nhs.
So far the vaccine seems to be going really well and you will get people it doesn’t agree with but have you had your jabs as a baby? Did you have your BcG? These were new once.

justanotherneighinparadise and GroundAlmonds

Thank you for your support

I'm not falling apart just yet but with all these posts it makes everything feel, as you put it Ground - apocalyptic, like what is the point in living anymore? It's neverending and they don't seem to get moved onto the relevant topic boards, which might actually help others who want to avoid them for the sake of their mental health.

Anyway, tonight is wine, takeaway and wrapping presents night so there is that to look forward to

@Worriednow77

And how is Wuhan back to normal with no vaccine?

What makes you think China hasn't been rolling out vaccines????

China started vaccinating months ago. They started with their Army and Health workers.
If they can do mass testing in huge cities in 10days you can be fairly sure they'll vaccinate at the same rate.

So times will be tough going into the next quarter. However, there is light at the end of the tunnel. By the time we get to June, the vaccine will have been fully rolled out, Brexit will have been done and we will be well on the path to recovery. Unemployment will for a time be high. However in context lower than it was when I left school in 1984 and then there was no support. Without sounding like too much of an alcoholic/ holiday floozy. As soon as I can, I will be out there spending big time and doing my bit to boost the economy....

It's not all doom and gloom.

In some ways I am quite pleased that we might see a reduction in the mass commercialism that's become the norm over the last 40 years. Maybe it's just to realise we just don't need all that stuff as much as we thought we did with coffee shops all over the place and cheap throw away clothes?

I feel sorry for people losing their jobs, yes, and for businesses, but there will be new businesses and new jobs- some types of jobs are on the increase and there will be plenty of start-ups once the virus is controlled a bit with the vaccine.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Does the majority of the populace really need to be told what to do and what not to do constantly?

Maybe some do, but ironically they're often the ones who won't do it anyway, no matter how many times they're told

However many of us have simply tried to use our common sense from the start, avoiding obvious silly risks but otherwise just getting on with things - or as close as we can get with so much being shut
Surrounded by utter incompetence at government level, it seems the only thing to do