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Get over yourself, "friend"!

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FriendlyDolphin · 17/12/2020 05:44

In 2021 I'm going to be done with apologising. Somehow I've always felt in the wrong with some of my friends, and maybe I am, but I would actually rather stick with the friends who are on my wave length rather than constantly grovel and apologise to friends who arent.

For the record:

  • I won't be replying to your long, meandering, endless stream of messages about your emotional life STRAIGHT AWAY because I DONT WANT TO. These arent "hi hows it going?" messages. If I feel like I need to take a few weeks to respond then I will.
  • I will be feeling free to cancel. Yes, okay, we made plans to have coffee 2 weeks ago, and now with three days to go it's not convenient anymore. Sorry about that. Until now I've just gone with it because whenever I have cancelled in the past you have sulked. From now on I will be cancelling if it's not convenient anymore. You are completely entitled to find that rude. I personally find it rude to be that uptight - why would you rather someone feel guiltripped into seeing you despite telling you they have work piled up, than postpone? Weird. If someone cancels on me I'm actually secretly received.
  • If i don't feel like being in touch, I won't be. I dont actually owe you check ins or continuous dialoguing. In fact my closest friend, we can go a month without checking in - because we respect one another and figure that the other must have stuff going on and will be in touch when she can catch her breath. It's about trust and security.

Basically, I am not a product - when we became friends you didnt take out a "subscription" to me, with a set number of hours owed. Maybe if you were a little lighter and a little less focused on what YOU "get out" of the friendship you would learn to appreciate people for who they are, and accept their different ways of being rather than try to bend them into your own shape. Which makes them snap. Maybe enjoy people for what they bring and how they make you feel, rather than hold them up to your own ideals constantly.

Basically, in 2021 I will be doing what feels right to me, and I'm sorry if that doesnt work for you

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TinselTinsel · 18/12/2020 19:06

I think I kind of understand where the op is coming from, though the wording maybe isn't correct.

I have a friend that needs to call me everyday to give me chapter and verse on her day, usually all negative. It's not that she needs a shoulder to cry on, she's already spoken to 3 or 4 people before me who on the whole enable her behavior. She likes to be center of attention, if you have a cold she has a worse cold. If you have a problem , she has it worse. If I don't want to answer, I don't. We are incredibly close but I'd never turn to her in my hour of need because she is too wrapped up in her own world.
I am a blunt friend so I don't enable, when she asks my opinion I give me genuine opinion, as does she to me, where as others tell her she's in the right even when she's not. This is the reason our friendship works but I sometimes feel the need for "me" time, without her moans and groans so I switch my phone off. We have never had an argument in 10 years and we are both gobby mares!

I would never take weeks to reply to a message but then some messages don't want a response, at some point a conversation has to end.

AlrightTreacle · 18/12/2020 19:06

Sounds exhausting. Just phase them out if you don't want to be friends anymore; I've only ever done this with one friend, but life is better now.

CharitySchmarity · 18/12/2020 19:53

Sounds like a lot of people who responded to this one don't know what it feels like to be an introvert!

I completely get it, OP. I have had a friend who behaved very much like the person you're talking about. I don't think I ever had to cancel at short notice but once, before mobile phones, I was about 15 minutes late meeting her and had no way of letting her know, and she really over-reacted to that and made it clear she thought I just didn't care enough to turn up on time (it was actually a bus that didn't arrive when it should). If I didn't phone her for a while it was because I "didn't care/was embarrassed by her". If she didn't phone me for a while it was because she "wasn't sure I would still want to hear from her." Always my fault, always her sensitive feelings being upset.

I like having friends, but I don't like being clung to or guilt-tripped. After my experience with that friend, I realised that I was actually more comfortable being the more insecure person in a friendship, suspecting that the other person didn't need me as much as I needed them (but not pushing them to respond!)

Rant away. You sound as if you need it.

NorbertMeubles · 18/12/2020 20:47

You sound like you place yourself in very high esteem OP. You also don't sound like a friend.

Noranorav · 18/12/2020 21:13

Well you say 'friend' but what you are describing doesn't sound like it is friendship - on either side. Useful to recognize when you're being used or put upon and have boundaries but the interactions you're describing don't sound as though you actually like the person themselves at all. It also sounds like you have lots of these friendships. In which case, gently extract yourself and let these friendship go.

stillcantremembermyusername · 18/12/2020 21:20

@CharitySchmarity I am not sure it is to do with being an introvert. I am an introvert, I am one of the few people who found the first lockdown a relief, I get overloaded with people quickly. But I still respond to emails/say sorry profusely if have left it weeks because I have forgotten - and it will always be a genuine forgotten - and I don't make arrangements to see people if I don't want to see them and I still try to see things from other people's point of view. I have friends who want to meet up to tell me their problems and I am totally fine with it because I like them. If I didn't like someone I cannot imagine them suggesting a meet up because I am always polite and courteous but will be distant with people I don't want to be friends with and handle things with them completely differently from how I would with someone i wanted to be friends with.

If I was upset by a friend's behaviour and decided I would let the friendship go I would let it fizzle out naturally, but if the person asked me why or wouldn't let it go, I would be honest and have a heart to heart with them. I am far from perfect but all these things are just basic ways of dealing with things in life so that drama doesn't take over.

I suspect that the OP wouldn't describe herself as an introvert, by the way.

BlueThistles · 18/12/2020 21:27

@NorbertMeubles

You sound like you place yourself in very high esteem OP. You also don't sound like a friend.
OP's 'friend' doesn't place her in very high esteem, thankfully OP is now changing this... and your correct..OP is not a friend.. she is being used... you don't do this to a friend...Flowers
hugocat · 18/12/2020 21:30

OP you sound like you've snapped. Good for you, life's too short and all that... x

angelfacecuti75 · 18/12/2020 21:46

Whilst I agree that life is busy and it is hard to keep up with the never ending stream of messages and meet ups , there are limits.
Fine, to cancel once or twice if you are very busy, but not continually.
Fine, to not answer one or two texts but not 30 or 40..
Friendships take work . If you don't want that why are you their friend & if you are busy, set boundaries with people, in an assertive way, not a ghost-y way. Say "I'm sorry I'm not responding I'm a bit busy right now or I'm in the bath or shampooing the cat, whatever it takes. Or "big hugs, no advice just hugs "

stillcantremembermyusername · 18/12/2020 21:46

I am not suggesting that this is the OP, but one of the people I know in real life who is terrible at replying to emails six months wanting to meet me for coffee to tell me about her problems with her husband, ie every time we met was almost exclusively to talk about her problems with her husband which I didn't mind at the time. After that was over on one single occasion I emailed her with a problem asking what she thought – it wasn't a serious problem and the answer could have been quick - I was ignored for three weeks and after those three weeks she wrote to me saying she was sorry she couldn't reply it was just that she had a lot of her own problems... A couple of weeks ago i emailed her about something she wanted me to send her and got an immediate reply. I sent the thing she wanted to her, and emailed to say it was on its way and I have had no reply, no thank you, so far. We are no longer close - because she doesn't reply unless it suits her - so I don't mind too much and am laughing as I write this, but I do find it really hard to understand.

I also have a close relative with serious mental health problems. Before I had dc I would speak to them when they wanted, when I wasn't working - I used to work very long hours and they would sometimes get upset about that, but I would just explain and then get them talking. It wasn't all the time, it went through phases. But after having dc I could no longer commit the time or energy and I explained that to them, and said emails would work better, I'd always reply, but I wouldn't be able to talk much on the phone. It was partly because the phone calls would last a long time but also because they would leave me drained and I really had to have energy for my dc as my priority. They have accepted that and we usually communicate by exchange of texts, which I reply to quickly and as fully as I can. I don't feel guilt about not talking because I think my dc are my priority. I was totally straight with the person so that they understood.

winniestone37 · 18/12/2020 22:31

Yeah you both have different expectations of this friendship and yours sound like the kind I would avoid I’m afraid. And No close friendships don’t go a month without contact - sorry.

FriendlyDolphin · 18/12/2020 22:49

So I've just finished a 1 hour and 50 minute phone call with one of the two friends who I am struggling with.

It started with me whatsapping her as I hadnt responded to one of her messages in a while.

She immediately replied saying she needed to talk to me on the phone, she felt upset.

I said I am knackered from working, and I generally have more energy in the morning - what time tomorrow morning would suit her?

She responded saying she really needed to talk to me tonight and can I call?

So I'm already feeling really pissed off that she has seemingly totally disregarded my preferences (can someone tell me if that's normal or whether I am overreacting on this point?).

For an entire two hours, she proceeds to talk at me. She tells me about her therapy, rants about her ex, talks to me about her kids, tells me about the poems shes been writing. She then proceeds to read some of the poems out to me, four or five. Very long poems.

It gets to about the hour and fifteen minute stage and I start making sounds that I'll need to go soon as I really am pretty knackered. She basically completely fucking ignores me. I do this several times more, getting as far as the "so we'll do dinner after Christmas. I hope you have a great one with the family!" stage and she just refuses to let me go, basically I say something like that, and she immediately goes into "Dolphin, seriously, you should have seen how I spoke to my ex. I was so proud" or "I do wonder whether the kids....".

You get the idea.

It gets to the fifth time I'm trying to leave, now essentially after a two hour conversation, and again she wont let me, shebsays "wait I need to get you to listen to something". So I snap and say "well you're going to have make it quick I'm afraid because I'm tired now and I want to go to bed". Struggling to hear, sounds a bit like the ocean - I didnt quite understand what it was, I believe some kind of huge egg timer with sand sounds that helps her sleep or whatever.

So I said cool, and then basically had to just be almost brash, and was like "Listen, get a good nights sleep. Good night!"

I am now so fucking wound up. She is a very kind person by the way. Shes the kind of person who would always help someone out. This is why its causing me so much frustration, because it's not as simple as just cut ties. She has been there for me in hard times and I can be there in hard times too but I dont want to be spoken at for two hours. It's extremely stressful. I feel angry now. I just cant believe someone can be that unaware? She must know shes doing it. But this is why I end up in this fucking situation in the first place. So she talks at me, so I avoid calling her, so she makes me feel guilty, so I do call her, and rinse and repeat.

OP posts:
FriendlyDolphin · 18/12/2020 22:49

Jesus sorry for the rant!

OP posts:
FriendlyDolphin · 18/12/2020 22:54

I think we're just completely different people

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stillcantremembermyusername · 18/12/2020 23:18

How old are you OP?

stillcantremembermyusername · 18/12/2020 23:42

Also, if you showed them this thread do you think they would still be desperate to talk to you and read you their poems? Genuine question.

BlueThistles · 19/12/2020 01:42

@stillcantremembermyusername

How old are you OP?
what the hell difference does this make... ? this kind of question infuriates me... WTF Hmm
BlueThistles · 19/12/2020 01:45

So I've just finished a 1 hour and 50 minute phone call with one of the two friends who I am struggling with.

I seriously do not blame you.. who the hell has that kind of time to give over to a bloody phone call after working all day ?! put your phone on silent... and turn off 'last seen' 'read' and all other notifications.. seriously.. for your own sanity OP... Flowers

SOmuchsparkle · 19/12/2020 02:45

You know you don't have yo "be friends" with everyone right?

If you don't like someone then don't engage. It's that simple.. No need to get so wound up.

Your posts make you sound quite angry.

BlueThistles · 19/12/2020 03:17

@SOmuchsparkle

You know you don't have yo "be friends" with everyone right?

If you don't like someone then don't engage. It's that simple.. No need to get so wound up.

Your posts make you sound quite angry.

I think OP has reached the end of her tether.. angry at her time being monopolised by needy selfish friends.... I don't blame her for deciding enough is enough Flowers
RUTheShitploppeeOrShitplopper · 19/12/2020 06:20

So I'm already feeling really pissed off that she has seemingly totally disregarded my preferences (can someone tell me if that's normal or whether I am overreacting on this point?).

No, you're not overreacting, she's not hearing you either wilfully or unknowingly but you still didn't maintain your own boundaries.

In cases like this, you've told her you're tired, you'd rather not talk. She insists. Ask if it's an emergency. If it's a no. Just.Don't.Call. Don't pick up the phone if she's calling. Maintain what you prefer. Don't give in.

If she says it's an emergency and you call and find out there's no emergency, TELL (don't ask) her you'll call back in the morning as it doesn't sound like something you can handle at this point. Then, hang up. You can apologise for hanging up in advance right before you hang up...even while she's still speaking if that's what it takes.

In the morning (when it's convenient for you), text or call and tell them you're ready to listen.

People will treat you the way you let them.

RUTheShitploppeeOrShitplopper · 19/12/2020 06:23

That jumbled line was: "Just. Don't. Call. Don't pick up the phone if she's calling"

RUTheShitploppeeOrShitplopper · 19/12/2020 06:26

This is when you still want them in your life, as you've said. But if you don't and it's draining you more often than not, just let the friendship go.

RUTheShitploppeeOrShitplopper · 19/12/2020 06:43

Oh, I have another suggestion: You can block them whenever you're not free to talk/text and unblock them when you are. That way, they can try to text or call a million times but you don't hear from them when you don't want to.

This is only when you want them in your life. I'd rather suggest 'unfriending' anyone you have to go to these lengths for.

That or set out a day and have a SERIOUS conversation about your boundaries/needs with her, either through text or call.

Hunnihun2 · 19/12/2020 06:58

^^ I will be feeling free to cancel. Yes, okay, we made plans to have coffee 2 weeks ago, and now with three days to go it's not convenient anymore

Perhaps don’t make as many plans and you will be under less pressure in the first place!! OP.