David Icke

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Thoughts...?

Mentally ill? Money maker, batshit crazy, insightful?

Do you believe he honestly believes in the things he says? Why did he go down this path

@Hotchocolatewithcream & @buttonmoonb4tea If this is real, doesn’t it need fo be put out there to help other possible victims?

@Worriednow77 yes it needs to be put out there but as @Hotchocolatewithcream says the details are so shocking there is a fear it won't be believed. Imagine how it must feel for a victim to come out and tell their story. It must feel like no one will believe them. It perpetuates the constant state of fear throughput their lives.

I’ve only heard of these satanic ritual abuse victims through the grapevine

Can anyone give a clear idea of what we are talking about from someone who actually has a contact they believe in?

Yes surely it would all be out there somehow, it can’t be kept quiet

I think he is mentally very unwell.

The people who believe his shite are seriously lacking in critical thinking skills.

Yes surely it would all be out there somehow, it can’t be kept quiet

Why can’t it be kept quiet?
It’s absolutely endemic and goes much further than I think most people would want to believe.

Jimmy Saville’s crimes didn’t get any publicity until he died and victims felt safe enough to come out.
Even then, I can definitely remember people claiming the victims were liars, asking ‘why now’ and such.
Saville wasn’t the only person implicated yet nothing has really been investigated despite knowing child abuse has been going on within the BBC for many years, ditto Hollywood.

Similar story with Michael Jackson but on a much bigger scale; a huge proportion of people still believe MJs accusers were all lying.
I’ll try not to de rail the thread too much but imo, considering members of his own family have claimed he was a paedophile, the big stash of porn found in his home, the sickly appearance in court then sudden recovery, the normal man voice in private and the softly spoken public image, the changing faces of the chosen boys etc etc etc it’s plainly obvious who was telling the truth...

Epstein’s death, I don’t know anybody who believes the ‘story’ and yet no real investigations have been done, no one implicated in his book or known to attend his parties or mentioned by his victims etc has had any real punishment; just look at Prince Andrew as one of many examples.

The documents on historic sex abuse in parliament that Teresa May ‘lost’.

The PIE scandal, Harriet Harman is still in parliament, despite being an obvious paedophile sympathiser..?
These animals were campaigning for the reduction of the age consent to 4 if I remember rightly.

The fact is, no one would believe the victims.
Crikey, children who have been abused in their homes often have a hard enough time being believed by family members, so why would the adult survivors here be believed when their experiences are so unbelievable..?
Victims have already come out, it’s been reported in the media but no real follow up.
It’s not believed and just quietly fades away and is forgotten.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-child-abuse-inquiry-cover-concerns-dame-lowell-goddard-stories-a7369976.html%3famp

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/harriet-harman-stayed-silent-over-paedophiles-avoid-rocking-boat-too-much-claims-former-leader-pie-after-daily-mail-allegations-9154313.html%3famp

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-48559590

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/satanic-abuse-no-myth-say-experts-5371639.html%3famp

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/533091/EXCLUSIVE-Charities-claim-satanic-abuse-children-rife/amp

@Hotchocolatewithcream 4??!!!!!

@Averyshinynose
morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/easy-pie-rebranding-paedophilia

It was indeed 4, with members of parliament campaigning for a slightly older age..
Ten!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pie-controversy-shadow-police-minister-jack-dromey-denies-supporting-call-age-consent-be-lowered-10-9160362.html%3famp

@Lonelycrab

Plenty of people oppose and mistrust the government, of course that doesn’t make them tin foil hat wearers, I don’t think you’ve thought that sentence through.

Calling out obvious bs ie 5g nonsense or flat earthers or Chem trailers is completely different to “opposing” the government.

I suppose what I am referring to is people on here. People get confused between a general mistrust and thinking all is not what it seems and the very radical ideas out there that there is no evidence for. My OH's parent have been absorbing any theory Facebook throws at them and I don't think it has been a benefit to them at all. They are extremely anxious and shouty, can't just have a pleasant conversation with them and it's always a very one-sided one. On the other hand I have another parent with some unusual ideas about the world, but very much takes a view that whatever happens you should not let it get to you emotionally and embrace change - I find it interesting, but doesn't make me panic and feel agitated.

They would both be branded tin-foil hat wearers on here and by a lot of people, but have a completely different perspective but a common theme that we should not just accept what we are told. I have thought it through.

Recently came across the subject, and a survivor on SM called Janette Archer who also supports other survivors. There are people from all over the world coming out saying yes this is real, and they were childhood victims. The stories are absolutely horrific and they confirm that elites/well known names have been involved.

I am a great fan of Jeanette Archer

I have been saving all her videos as they do more than any rational, skeptical person could to debunk the insane claims of recovered memories of satanic ritual abuse

Archer has very explicitly described how she recovered memories that she had repressed for years and in doing so has become a very helpful person to all of us who try hard to combat the tidal wave of false memories of SRA that are currently being shared on social media by the people who love to share graphic, explicit accounts of children being sexually tortured.

I have had the immensely traumatic experience of being in therapy with a derragned, lying, conspicary theorist therapist who had brainwashed vulnerable people into believing that they had been victims of SRA.

When I stated that I didn't believe the (obviously impossible) "recovered memories" shared by others I was told by the therapist that it was because their "memories" resonated with appaling, traumatic experiencs that I had repressed because they were too horiffic.

Basically she was inviting me to believe that I had been abused by a satanic cult. The fact that I didn't remember being abused by a satanic cult was proof that I had been. Because reasons. Oh and repression. and DID.

What a load of abusive shite.

The therapist who ran the "therapy group" was properly accredited, had worked extensively in the NHS and was networked into a therapy cult in which many apparently reputable mental health professionals were united by their bizarre beliefs in SRA.

Talking of Jeanette Archer, one of her fellow SRA conspiracy theorists Wilfred Wong (a notorious anti-abortion activist who believes that womens's reproductive rights are a cover for SRA) is currently on remand facing criminal charges relating to the kidnapping, at knifepoint, of an 8 year old child.

Because a court case involving serious crimes is pending I cannot comment on Wong's situation (readers please do likewise) however those who promote and endorse Jeanette Archer's constantly evolving reports of CSA and SRA should take note of the company she keeps.

She has also been a guest on the Shaun Attwood podcast. That's Shaun Attwood AKA "English Shan" who was jailed in the US for serious drug offenses, whose violent, abusive criminal career is described here
www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/evil-empire-6410984

Some of Shaun Attwood's extremely dubious activities are described in the website of the intersex former cop Ann Drogyne

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201001085729/www.anndrogyne.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20201001085729/www.anndrogyne.co.uk

and in this excellent video
Daddygate for beginners

Attwood was (is?) in a sexual relationship with an allegedly trafficked autistic woman who he had admitted to filming in sexually explicit scenes in his flat. The films and photos were then uploaded onto Adult Work and other websites to advertise her services as a sex worker (specialising in role play).

A short film of this vulnerable female on her knees in fetish toddler clothes, unzipping Attwood's trousers and, in a little girl voice, calling him "Daddy" and saying "I want to be a good girl" was leaked by Ann Drogyne.

You have to wonder why someone like Attwood, who claims to be an activist against CSA and SRA would persuade his then girlfriend, who he says if a trafficked women with autism and a history of CSA, to reinact a CSA scene in his flat?

Both Wilfred Wong and Jeanette Attwood have been guests on Shaun Attwood's podcast as has the extremely dubious Sonia Poulton

One highly publicised person and a disreputable therapist practising what sounds like regression hypnosis doesn’t automatically make everyone who claims they experienced SRA a liar or a victim of false memory syndrome.

Hotchocolatewithcream

Thank you so much for posting these links in your earlier post

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/satanic-abuse-no-myth-say-experts-5371639.html%3famp

text from the above post

Satanic abuse no myth, say experts
By Sophie Goodchild,
Home Affairs Correspondent
Sunday 30 April 2000 00:00
A specially commissioned government report will this week conclude that satanic abuse does take place in Britain. It will say that its victims have suffered actual abuse and are not suffering from "false memory syndrome".

A specially commissioned government report will this week conclude that satanic abuse does take place in Britain. It will say that its victims have suffered actual abuse and are not suffering from "false memory syndrome".

The report, ordered by the Department of Health, focuses on the experiences of 50 "survivors". Compiled by Dr John Hale, director of the Portman Clinic in London, and psychotherapist Valerie Sinason, it will reopen the debate which started a decade ago with testimonies from children in Nottingham, Rochdale and Orkney.

Its findings contradict the claims of a report ordered by the Conservative government in 1994, which concluded that satanic abuse was a "myth".

It follows the growing concern of child protection agencies, and the Government, over organised child abuse.

Last week, it emerged that police were investigating the alleged sexual and physical abuse of up to 4,000 children in care homes and council-run homes in Devon.

Ms Sinason, who has treated 126 ritual abuse survivors, said yesterday that in many cases children were tortured by being held under water or made to believe they had witnessed the murder of infants as part of the satanic ritual.

"Some children are born for the purpose of abuse and are not registered on birth certificates," she added. "The abusers use trickery to convince children they have taken part in murder. This increases the power of the abuser."

The report will point to the difficulty of bringing prosecutions because of the problems of putting abused children into the witness box. There are currently at least five cases involving ritual abuse in the hands of lawyers.

Lee Moore, a barrister who founded the Association of Child Abuse Lawyers, and was himself a victim of ritual abuse, said it was hard to persuade people to give evidence, particularly after the 1994 report claiming satanic abuse was a myth perpetuated by social workers.

The latest report was welcomed by Dr Joan Coleman, a Surrey psychiatrist who has spent 14 years treating victims. "A lot of children are born into satanic families who indulge in this ritual abuse," she said. "It's only now that child sexual abuse is being exposed that people are beginning to believe ritual abuse exists."

The report will be studied by John Hutton, the health department minister with responsibility for child protection. He is expected to order an investigation into its findings.

Valerie Sinason is a close collegue of the abusive therapist who harmed and traumatised me by trying to persuade me that I had been abused by satanists. I have met many of Sinason's victims and she is an extremely dangerous woman. Her victims include Carol Felstead and her family.

Another of your links is also very helpful as it includes more batshit insanity from Valerie Sinason as well as from the dangerous so callled charity "Izzy's Promise" (had a recent name change IMMIC)

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/533091/EXCLUSIVE-Charities-claim-satanic-abuse-children-rife/amp

There's a lot I can share on Sinason and on Izzy's Promise this wole network is very dangerous.

I am just extremely pushed for time and I must go out now

One highly publicised person and a disreputable therapist practising what sounds like regression hypnosis doesn’t automatically make everyone who claims they experienced SRA a liar or a victim of false memory syndrome.

Trouble is that there are so many of them

Dr Todd Grande is very well informed on this issue (DID - usally arising from recovered memories of SRA)

As he says in this video (I think it's this one) where he say that the fascinating thing about these people with DID is that almost all the cases of DID are diagnosed and treated by a small network of mental health professionals.

Personally I think that the network is large and influential. Many of the therapists of concern are "influencers" not so much on social media but on TV.

anyway I would recommend Dr Grande's excellet videos on DID for a scientifically informed, rational perspective

I don't know much about his theories.
Is the lizard thing supposed to be a metaphor?

One highly publicised person and a disreputable therapist practising what sounds like regression hypnosis doesn’t automatically make everyone who claims they experienced SRA a liar or a victim of false memory syndrome.

I just want to clarify my position

There are very real abusive cults that exist that commit many (not all) of the crimes that are associated with SRA.

If someone says that they have been abused by a cult or a satanic cult they should be taken seriously. Real life cults can use occult wondow dressing on order to terrify their victims.

When people, like Jeanette Archer, talk about "recovering memories" that had previously been repressed major red flags become apparent.

Of course just because someone claims to have experienced SRA we should not conclude that they are a liar or have false memories, although false meories or histrionic personality disorder are the most likely scenarios.

Just because people claim to have experienced SRA does not mean that they do not have false memories, are lying or are mentally ill.

Anyone claiming to have been sexually abused or to have witnessed murders should report their experiences to the police, who are in the best position to investigate serious crimes such as this. Obviously

One of the most serious problems with people having false memeories of SRA (which can occur with or without therapy) is that it creates a culture in which people become so used to clearly impossible claims that they do not belive victims of real cults.

I will post more later

Is the lizard thing supposed to be a metaphor?

No

British royal family and many of the "elite" are really lizards according to Icke

I don’t know.
The world is quite a fucked up place isn’t it with lots of people who aren’t what they seem.
I certainly don’t think my family member lied about her abuse, but whether some of it is false memory or not, well I don’t know.
I don’t think so, but who knows

When people, like Jeanette Archer, talk about "recovering memories" that had previously been repressed major red flags become apparent
I do definately agree with this though.
I think so called regression therapy is pointless at best and extremely dangerous at worst.

I think so called regression therapy is pointless at best and extremely dangerous at worst.

Agreed

The trouble is that the therapist who abused me and her extensive network of colleages all claim not to use recovered memory therapy

But they do use it and they simply lie about this fact.

Also these SRA claims are very similar to the blood libel that resulted in pogroms and other atrocities against Jews for a very long time.

Central to Icke's batshit theories are conspiracies about the New World Order, a secret society of Jews who plan to take over the world.

Imagery of sinister robed figures decorated with the star of David acting as puppet masters appears frequently on websites associated with Icke.

The truly scary thing is that there does seem to be a network of very nasty, ruthless individuals who are accumulating immense power and wealth.

These people are not, at least not to my knowledge, satanists. They are fake shamans, yogis, healers, cult leaders, therapists, life ocaches and quacks and they seem to find it very easy to deceive prominent royals, aristocrats, old money, new money, artists, musicians and other celebrities, businessmen and women. Anyone with power and / or influence is a target for these people.

As well as the well documented antisemitism promoted by Icke et al is significant anti British propaganda.

We are depicted as a "nation of paedophiles" by all manner of conspiracy theorists. Dodgy former cop and charidee scammer Jon Wedger come to mind, as does the odious Camila Batmanghelidjh who claimed that Brits care more about our pets then we do about our children.

@donquixotedelamancha here we go. What have you done!! 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

donquixotedelamancha here we go. What have you done!

LMAO. I'm sorry, our Lizard overlords made me do it. You were getting too close to the truth.

I certainly don’t think my family member lied about her abuse, but whether some of it is false memory or not, well I don’t know.

It is very easy to convince people that all manner of things happened to them that didn't happen really, not just abuse.

There is a significant network of therapists here in the UK and internationally who promote bizarre theories about SRA and who manipulate and abuse vulnerable patients / clients

some examples

There are many, many more that I can share if it would be helpful

I do not know your aunt but I am sure that, whatever her situation, it must have been distressing for you to hear her talk about such things

@donquixotedelamancha a shitty trick if I ever did see one 😂😂