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David Icke

162 replies

Legalhelp · 15/12/2020 22:01

Thoughts...?

Mentally ill? Money maker, batshit crazy, insightful?

Do you believe he honestly believes in the things he says? Why did he go down this path

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AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 14:58

@Lonelycrab

Plenty of people oppose and mistrust the government, of course that doesn’t make them tin foil hat wearers, I don’t think you’ve thought that sentence through.

Calling out obvious bs ie 5g nonsense or flat earthers or Chem trailers is completely different to “opposing” the government.

On MN it gets treated as one and the same.
Lonelycrab · 16/12/2020 15:07

No it simply doesn’t. There are dozens of threads on here where people disagree and mis trust this govt. I’ve posted on many myself and there is no suggestion anyone with opposing views is a tin foil hat wearer.

I mistrust the government to spend money wisely wrt emergency covid strategy. It doesn’t mean I’m a tin foil hat wearer; they’re clearly giving contracts to their mates.

One can mistrust without implying there is a conspiracy. That was all my point was.

AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 15:09

@Lonelycrab

No it simply doesn’t. There are dozens of threads on here where people disagree and mis trust this govt. I’ve posted on many myself and there is no suggestion anyone with opposing views is a tin foil hat wearer.

I mistrust the government to spend money wisely wrt emergency covid strategy. It doesn’t mean I’m a tin foil hat wearer; they’re clearly giving contracts to their mates.

One can mistrust without implying there is a conspiracy. That was all my point was.

Oh, I’ve mostly just had rude remarks.
user1471565182 · 16/12/2020 15:19

you'd find the idea of a flu type pandemic outrageous? really? after swine flu, SARs and Bird Flu?

AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 15:20

@user1471565182

you'd find the idea of a flu type pandemic outrageous? really? after swine flu, SARs and Bird Flu?
Not sure who this question is for...
A4Document · 16/12/2020 15:27

www.libertynation.com/world-economic-forum-and-the-blueprint-of-fascism/

If this is the plan for a 'Great Reset' I'd prefer to avoid it.

"You will own nothing and be happy" ... because a bunch of corporate billionaires say so?

"These organizations are not looking to the future, they are clawing back the past where every man is a serf, and every right is subject to the whim of the powerful. There is fascism in our future, and it comes with globalization, supranational organizations, and with a smile on its face."

Lonelycrab · 16/12/2020 15:38

Liberty nation appear to be a right wing news organisation specialising in extreme/controversial viewpoints.

This is Reuter’s take on it mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2761YQ

AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 15:43

In fairness, it’s the WEF own advert that caused the alarm.

I was talking to the local bookshop staff about it at the time, it was a “disappearing middle class theory” then and it still is, regardless of covid.

My immediate thought was “well, who does own things?” And while London was building micro flats, a lot of us were puzzled and concerned at the time.

user1471565182 · 16/12/2020 15:59

The Great reset was orginally an idea from the UN, IMF for post covid recovery. Its been seized on by the usual gobshites and grifters and turned into the same old nonsense they've been promising will happen for 30 years.

LolaSmiles · 16/12/2020 16:04

It's also sad that anyone opposing or mistrustful of the government are branded a tinfoil hat wearer. We aren't, you need balance in any arguement Being completely trustful and accepting of what ever is thrown at you is just as dangerous as not trusting anyone and filling in blanks with any old crap you read on Facebook.

I think the conspiracy theorists and the elitist bad guys they warn us "sheeple" about are part of the same team, and a lot of my friends and family agree with me on this. A confused and divided nation is a weak and depressed one that can't strive or progress. I thought that was obvious to a lot of people
You lost me as soon as you tried to suggest that people who oppose the government are accused of wearing tin foil hats.

Conspiracy theorist logic: anyone who challenges the conspiracy must love the government and be completely trusting of the government.

It's entirely possible to have scepticism towards the government, apply critical thinking and outright oppose the government without resorting to conspiracy theories and delusions of grandeur that seem to rest on the idea that a select few are in the know and everyone else is a government puppet sheeple.

A4Document · 16/12/2020 16:11

Liberty nation appear to be a right wing news organisation specialising in extreme/controversial viewpoints.

I get that, but can't help but be creeped out by some of it. I suppose if what is planned is left wing or even communist, it would be the right who object the most?

longwayoff · 16/12/2020 16:28

Tony Abbott, on the other hand, is definitely a reptile, lizard or not.

A4Document · 16/12/2020 16:41

If the royals are reptiles/lizards wouldn't they be hibernating by this time of year? Hmm Grin

hamstersarse · 16/12/2020 16:57

It does seem to me that anyone who is even slightly right of centre is accused of being a conspiracy theory nutter

Value individual rights during Covid? Covid denial

Don't think that free school meals for Christmas is the best way to solve the problem? Murdering right wing bigot

Think that the communist ethos of BLM isn't great? Racist fuckwit

And so on.....

user1471565182 · 16/12/2020 17:02

well if your centre right newspapers will keep spouting conspiracy theories and you call BLM 'communist'.....

user1471565182 · 16/12/2020 17:03

'communist' and 'marxist' is one that pops up again and again in conspiracy theories, with the person spouting it not having a clue what these ideologies actually are. Its very 1930s.

AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 17:09

@user1471565182

The Great reset was orginally an idea from the UN, IMF for post covid recovery. Its been seized on by the usual gobshites and grifters and turned into the same old nonsense they've been promising will happen for 30 years.
So what’s been promised over 30 years?
hamstersarse · 16/12/2020 17:10

@user1471565182

BLM has a radical Marxist agenda

I know their strapline is catchy, but when you look beyond the catchy 'can't disagree with it' click bait, there are some questionable objectives.

But obviously no-one is allowed to say this because.....automatic right wing nutjob racist.

There is a serious problem with how, predominantly the left, discuss things. Instant accusations of being a something-ist.

hamstersarse · 16/12/2020 17:14

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

LolaSmiles · 16/12/2020 17:14

Value individual rights during Covid? Covid denial

Hardly.

It all depends on whether your 'value individual rights' is a measured discussion on the remit of the state or someone with half a brain cell declaring that they don't consent to the police because they stand under common law like they're some sort of legal expert on the nuances of the Magna Carta.

Same on the BLM point. Totally justifiable to have a debate about some of the BLM ideology that seeks to dismantle large sections of the state, that's not being a racist bigot. Dismissing BLM raise valid points about institutional racism by throwing 'yeah but communism' around is just stupid, and probably a sign the person is the sort of person who is 'not racist yeah, like I'm it racist but diversity should not have done that dance on BGT, obviously I'm not racist like, but... but it was too political... there's a time and a place... they should get back in their box'

hamstersarse · 16/12/2020 17:24

@LolaSmiles

Value individual rights during Covid? Covid denial

Hardly.

It all depends on whether your 'value individual rights' is a measured discussion on the remit of the state or someone with half a brain cell declaring that they don't consent to the police because they stand under common law like they're some sort of legal expert on the nuances of the Magna Carta.

Same on the BLM point. Totally justifiable to have a debate about some of the BLM ideology that seeks to dismantle large sections of the state, that's not being a racist bigot. Dismissing BLM raise valid points about institutional racism by throwing 'yeah but communism' around is just stupid, and probably a sign the person is the sort of person who is 'not racist yeah, like I'm it racist but diversity should not have done that dance on BGT, obviously I'm not racist like, but... but it was too political... there's a time and a place... they should get back in their box'

The police point is very interesting because in the UK we have policing by consent. No one could possible argue that Coronavirus has not tested this concept to it's limit. No better place than this thread to put this, but I am always interested in the polls that constantly come back with results that say "the majority of people want more restrictions"

BLM is a whole other thread. But you can't even have a debate about the concept of institutional racism. It is just seen as an actual fact, when noone can actually define what it means.

I;m not a fan of identity politics. I think it does a lot of harm. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 17:33

Hamster I see what you mean

Though I think those of us worried about rights are probably from all sides

Here’s something I wish was a conspiracy but is becoming reality

www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/andy-burnham-business-leaders-explore-19463591

A4Document · 16/12/2020 17:45

'communist' and 'marxist' is one that pops up again and again in conspiracy theories, with the person spouting it not having a clue what these ideologies actually are

Are you sure you aren't just saying that because you disagree with them? It isn't just tabloids, tinfoil hatters or the unknowledgeable, though. In the Telegraph (yes, it's right-wing but they're not uneducated) Alexandra Phillips describes BLM as a "radical neo-Marxist political movement". Sherelle Jacobs, who is mixed-race, says "Marxist-chic BLM is a disturbing threat to racial progress".

AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 17:46

The founders of BLM talk about being trained Marxists.

FreshFreesias · 16/12/2020 17:53

Some of what he predicted has come true though. The attacks and destruction on our civil liberties, for example.