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flaviaritt · 2020-12-14T08:07:17+00:00

[[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9048759/Family-kicked-United-flight-New-Jersey-toddler-refused-wear-mask.html]] This family were forced to leave a flight home because their two year old wouldn’t ‘comply’ with mask-wearing. She’s 2. Has the world gone mad? Surely it’s common sense that a young child should not be forced into a mask? Surely it’s a violation of the rights of the child to insist upon this?

IMNOTSHOUTING · 14/12/2020 11:30

@RaspberryCoulis

Of course it's unacceptable.

But be prepared for the pile-on from the mask enthusiasts using words like "selfish" and "compliant".

I had idiotic comments like this. Such a victim mentality. Of course 2 year olds shouldn't be forced to wear masks - stop trying to create a straw man argument.

MaryLeeOnHigh · 14/12/2020 11:30

@flaviaritt

The only people forcing this child into discomfort and distress were her parents who chose to book a flight where they knew she would have to wear a mask.

But the parents didn’t force her. So that’s rubbish. And the airline issued a policy saying she had to wear it, and still allowed her to board, so yes, they are responsible if she suffers (partly).

How was the airline supposed to know the child wouldn't wear a mask when she boarded?

And how exactly did she suffer from leaving the plane and going back home?

Brefugee · 14/12/2020 11:30

Then you don't use them, not use them and assume your exempt because you disagree

This isn’t the point.

Despite your insistence, OP, that it isn't the point. It is completely the point. They don't have to fly - it's a fun trip not essential. They could have used an airline that doesn't have a mask wearing policy, or they could have driven, gone by train or any other solution.

There is a global pandemic and if you can't keep the rules you should just stay at freaking home. It's not rocket surgery.

onlythepianoplayer · 14/12/2020 11:32

Anyway, I think it’s clear that there are some off-the-scale extremists posting on this thread. Some people who have all lost perspective about what is acceptable. That’s sad

There's just you, but don't be so down on yourself. You're confused.

MaryLeeOnHigh · 14/12/2020 11:34

@flaviaritt

Anyway, I think it’s clear that there are some off-the-scale extremists posting on this thread. Some people who have all lost perspective about what is acceptable. That’s sad.

But I really do have some stuff to do.

Translates as: people are asking some awfully awkward questions that demonstrate how ridiculous I'm being.

Yet more irony in that accusation of extremism - from the person who claims a policy that says "Don't book with us if your child can't wear a mask" is directly responsible for abuse and violence to children.

Kokosrieksts · 14/12/2020 11:37

@dontdisturbmenow ffs are you always this compliant even if the rules make no sense. I despair.
No, kids should not be wearing masks.

MaryLeeOnHigh · 14/12/2020 11:37

Of course 2 year olds shouldn't be forced to wear masks - stop trying to create a straw man argument.

Again, that's fine, @IMNOTSHOUTING. No-one is forcing 2 year olds to travel on this airline so no-one is forcing them to wear masks.

Xerochrysum · 14/12/2020 11:38

If anyone thinks children wearing a mask is an abuse shouldn't be flying anyway. What if worst case scenario happens and people need to wear oxygen masks? It's way more scarier for young children to put on a plastic mask than wearing a piece of cloth.

Leaannb · 14/12/2020 11:42

@hardboiledeggs

Thought kids under 6 didn't need to wear them? That's terrible.

States make their own rules about masks. For instance in California only children 2 and under are exempt from wearing masks. In my state children under 5 are exempt from wearing masks. Most do though. Yes they are expected to wear masks all day at school

loulouljh · 14/12/2020 11:47

Yes I agree. How on earth can you make a 2 year old do that...

knittingaddict · 14/12/2020 11:47

It's really not worth "debating" with the op. That isn't why he/she is posting and, like the op said, there are better things to be doing with your time. Some threads and some people just aren't worth bothering with.

Leaannb · 14/12/2020 11:48

@Brefugee

Then you don't use them, not use them and assume your exempt because you disagree

This isn’t the point.

Despite your insistence, OP, that it isn't the point. It is completely the point. They don't have to fly - it's a fun trip not essential. They could have used an airline that doesn't have a mask wearing policy, or they could have driven, gone by train or any other solution.

There is a global pandemic and if you can't keep the rules you should just stay at freaking home. It's not rocket surgery.

Its not the airline who made the regulation. In New Jersey the law is anyone over the age of 2 must wear a mask.

Leaannb · 14/12/2020 11:49

@loulouljh

Yes I agree. How on earth can you make a 2 year old do that...

Same with everyone else they get used to it. Their state mandates anyone over 2 must wear a mask

SleepingStandingUp · 14/12/2020 11:58

In my state children under 5 are exempt from wearing masks. Most do though. Yes they are expected to wear masks all day at school see that worries me more, there's so much more to communication with little ones than the words that come out and at that age lots don't have perfectly clear diction

Marmite27 · 14/12/2020 12:00

@flaviaritt

Of course it’s not ‘violence’ that their policy includes 2 year olds. I have a 2 year old and she’s quite happy wearing a mask on the odd occasion.

And if she wasn’t happy? Would you force her?

If I had to be somewhere that required a mask yes.

However I wouldn’t put her through it for dinner with family members.

SleepingStandingUp · 14/12/2020 12:03

@flaviaritt

SleepingStandingUp

Because restraining a child painlessly for their own safety isn’t abusive and putting a mask over their mouth and nose is.

But your arguement was if a parent is abusive putting a child into a mask then it's the airline's fault in part for making them obliged to do so. So the same applies to restraints on the airplane. They insist on 2 year olds wearing masks. They don’t have to do that. So they are accountable for the harm it causes. No, because THEY aren't forcing the child to fly despite that flight being uncomfortable for the child. Their parents are

17days · 14/12/2020 12:05

Oh God I didn't realise this was a flaviaritt thread. Surely it won't be long now until every user recognises the username and learns to steer well clear?

SleepingStandingUp · 14/12/2020 12:06

@flaviaritt

So 2 year olds are magically unable to transmit the virus?

No. They can transmit it. That doesn’t make it okay to abuse them to protect adults who don’t have to be there.

You relapse parents can choose not to abuse their 2 yos regardless of the rules masks right? No one FORCE this couple to get on this plane with their child. No one would FORCE a parent to be physically, verbally or mentally abusive to their child. You just don't book. Or prepare them. Or get off.

Could anyone induce you to abuse your child op? You seem to think parents can be so easily obliged to do so

SleepingStandingUp · 14/12/2020 12:08

@flaviaritt

I think it’s unacceptable on the part of the family putting and infant through that for their own agenda.

If it’s wrong, it’s wrong for the airline to mandate it. They could just say “no kids under 4” or similar. And then they wouldn’t be responsible for the understandable distress of these small children.

Why do you think parents have so little say over their kids?
Firstly children Under 2 don't need one so they're fine to travel. Secondly some children aged 2+ are happily wearing a mask. That's for the parent or decide.

Do you want to be told what you should and shouldn't be allowed to do with your children every second of the day?

Marmite27 · 14/12/2020 12:09

@kirinm

‘Yeah, that's not weird at all is it. I'm hoping my two year old doesn't remember a time when adults wore masks and were terrified of speaking to other people.’

I’d rather she associated masks with going shopping than the previous association she had following a traumatic hospital admission.

Bollss · 14/12/2020 12:13

@Aprilx

The mask wearing policy is clear, over 2s need to wear a mask, I believe Disney World has the same policy for over 2s. If it were not possible to comply then they shouldn’t have bought tickets, it was a trip they should have decided against anyway.

If it were not possible to comply - have you ever met a two year old?

CloudPop · 14/12/2020 12:13

@flaviaritt

So 2 year olds are magically unable to transmit the virus?

No. They can transmit it. That doesn’t make it okay to abuse them to protect adults who don’t have to be there.

What?!

SleepingStandingUp · 14/12/2020 12:13

@flaviaritt

What violence? You can't just say that as if its fact and not your weird opinion.

I can say what I like. I think forcing a distressed child into a mask is a violent act.

Then don't do it and don't go anywhere they need to wear one. Having pinned my child down to put a mask on often enough I can tell you I wouldn't do it for dinner with family.

Bollss · 14/12/2020 12:14

@Xerochrysum

If anyone thinks children wearing a mask is an abuse shouldn't be flying anyway. What if worst case scenario happens and people need to wear oxygen masks? It's way more scarier for young children to put on a plastic mask than wearing a piece of cloth.

Life saving oxygen used for what a few minutes in a emergency (probably wont happen) compared to however many hours with a piece of cloth over your face? Yeah, so comparable. What a load of shite.

SleepingStandingUp · 14/12/2020 12:15

@flaviaritt

2 is a toddler. A baby is a baby.

I think 2 is still a baby. A very young child not old enough to understand what’s happening or why their parents are forcing them into a face covering. And you can think whatever you like about that. I think differently.

But no one has to force their child into a god DN mask, they can just fly with a different airline, Skype, drive or bloody walk!