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h went to strip club - thread 2

353 replies

porcelaine · 13/12/2020 10:33

hi all,
as my thread has filled up I am starting a new one. I genuinely cannot thank you who posted enough for giving me some much needed strength.
he has been calling me this morning, I haven't picked up. I have no intention of it. I also took notifications off my text messages so I only access them when I want to. its not ideal but I have realised he may be trying to make me look unreasonable atm to gain "the upper hand" (in his mind} and texting with him really upsets me.
I am currently going through quite a lot of guilt which I am not sure is normal in this situation, but where I feel like, even if we tried again and everything was somehow ok, its not the life I want for myself. I want to be with a man of better character who I actually like and respect, and I want to be able to do things like my book without being emotionally thrown off, and I want peace in my home for dc. all those things would have a good effect on dc too, but I am worried that this is about me putting myself first by saying no, I dont want this anymore. does that makes sense?

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FancyAnOlive · 15/12/2020 17:45

Hope you are feeling a bit better today OP. Be gentle with yourself - this is hard but you are doing the right thing.

FourPlatinumRings · 15/12/2020 18:06

Basically he tried to emotionally blackmail you and you called his bluff. Now he's panicked and trying everything he can think of to get his feet back under the table.

Don't undo your good work now. I'd just say, 'You left. I have decided I do not want you back.'

ChocolateCherrybomb · 15/12/2020 18:25

Seen this so many times in my life.
Man does something woman doesn't like.
Man gives fake apologies.
Woman sees through the bullshit.
Man, "well if you don't do as I want and forgive me right now, I am going to punish you".

Man also always wants to make himself look good no matter how bad the thing he did was and will always seek to get the woman to take the blame for every little thing negative he does, even if he has to start twisting the truth or plain make shit up.

This type never change.
Yours is this type.
Tell him to go fuck himself.

RightYesButNo · 15/12/2020 18:36

am I the unreasonable one for saying NO? I can’t live like this. It’s like emotional terrorism, you get angry I’ll leave. But I’ll come back if you back down. It’s bullying.

It feels like emotional terrorism because it is. People joke that you can’t negotiate with terrorists referring to toddlers or difficult relatives but THIS is the truth of the saying: you cannot negotiate with emotional terrorists because they keep changing the goalposts, just like your husband is. He says he’s leaving no matter what, but now if you do X, Y, Z, he’ll come back. But if you did those things and he came back, he’d hold something else over you, such as, “If you don’t do W, I’ll leave again.” You cannot ever win a game like that. The only way to win is stop playing, and unfortunately, you stop playing by getting divorced. This is also why counseling can’t work with a bully. Because you’re seeing it for yourself: he says he’ll consider staying if you do counseling, but HE’S the one who left. No wonder it’s doing your head in!

You are allowed a hobby, whether it’s writing a book or ten books or knitting or electric trains or anything else. There is no hobby that justifies him essentially stealing money from the family accounts without discussing it with you (a small amount is a purchase, £400 is something you would never have spent without discussing it with him so let’s call it the theft it is, or at least a complete break in trust, and that’s before we consider if it was just for strippers, or for strippers and drugs, or for strippers and a prostitute). And then he took another £400 for who knows what purpose! And then he LEFT you in the middle of the night to have to explain to DC where their father disappeared to!

No, OP. Just no. YANBU. You are not, not, not unreasonable. Write it on a note and stick it to the back of your phone if you need to be reminded, but you need reminding: “This is not my fault. I will not feel guilty.”

Sandals19 · 15/12/2020 19:08

Who would make a gamble like that? Who would be this cruel??

Your dh's actions (from "minor" stuff around the house and kids, to major stuff like this strip club/use of savings incident) appear to me as an outsider to be selfish, rash, irresponsible, flaky, crazy, unstable, immature and unreasonable (and that's just what we know from this thread, no doubt there's more).

So I guess that fits. It's not out of character. He's a bit of a mess.

Sandals19 · 15/12/2020 19:13

I forgot immoral/low integrity too.

I guess his only claim to adulting is his job and being a supposed family man - but in the latter case, it sounds like you've been pulling more than your weight, and compensating for his shit parenting.

If you go ahead with getting rid of him (which I think if you don't, you're going to see more of this shit sooner or later), I feel.sorry fir the next poor fucker who gets him, with a big lying sob story about your relationship of course.

Sandals19 · 15/12/2020 19:16

The other thing is, as another poster said in here, people think that there's some kind of jury or other people care.

There isn't a jury and noone, past the initial breakup, cares. They're absorbed in they'd own lives and dint really give a fuck.

He'll lie, his family will lie, you'll give your side and correct it if you know the people ... But noone really cares, it's about what's best for you and your kids.

Marjoriesdoor · 15/12/2020 19:25

@porcelaine None of this is your fault but now that you see him for what he is, what is the problem with taking ownership of your own future and saying, very proudly, “I deserve better than you and yes, feel free to put the onus on me here because this is absolutely over and I don’t want to continue our relationship.” Be proud of yourself, hold your head up high and tell him where to stick his emotional blackmail, his Christmas plans and his constant, pathetic text messages. You know you’re done, say it out loud and give yourself a pat on the back. You can do this and you will.

porcelaine · 15/12/2020 19:55

It’s such a wrench to do that. Knowing all that change and pain is “avoidable” (if, as PPs have said, I accept what he says and does.) I feel like such a coward but I’ve had a shit year, work is tough and no signs of letting up, the kids, I have anxiety and I wasn’t ready to go it alone. I did reply and tell him HE separated (physically, financially, etc) and he can’t come back for Xmas as it will not be good for dc. I said he made the choice when he left. I haven’t looked at messages again since then, and don’t plan to for probably a couple of days, it’s too anxiety inducing. I’ve firmed Xmas plans with my sister and I’m just trying to stay calm and get on top of work while dc at school. I wrote a little bit today and bought myself a Xmas present of a cowshed bath thing I like, which has done me a lot of good, however sad that is...!
I guess I just can’t believe this is him. All your messages have massively helped me, honestly. It helps to hear it from others.

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MiniCooperLover · 15/12/2020 20:08

The pain isn't avoidable though OP, he'll make you pay for it and for not accepting you were wrong straight away. You know this. The hardest first step has happened, keep it going

billy1966 · 15/12/2020 20:18

OP, well done.
Great steps.
You have very wisely said NO to Christmas.

He has wrecked your marriage.
This is all on him.

Space from himwill give you further perspective and strength.
Flowers

FullTimeYummy · 15/12/2020 20:29

The pain isn't avoidable. Keep working through it and get on with your life. You can do this.

TonMoulin · 15/12/2020 20:35

You are doing well porcelaine.

And I agree with PP. This pain isn’t avoidable unfortunately. Because even if you were saying YES to all his demands, what would you be left with? More unreasonable and bullying behaviours that would be just as hurtful.
I t’s crap. It’s close to Christmas and at the end of a really hard year. So yes the timing is all wrong.
But you can’t avoid that separation. You are strong to go with it and stand your ground. Not weak and unreasonable for doing so.

lakesideadvent · 15/12/2020 20:36

I agree with the others the pain sadly isn't avoidable.
The pain of the split might be avoided ( if only for a while) but then you are left with the pain of a bloke visiting strip clubs behind your back, lying to you and blaming you for his lapses.

Try and continue looking after yourself, good quality bath stuff is great, also any small food treats or new earrings or anything that makes you smile.

GabsAlot · 15/12/2020 20:38

good op keep strong keep posting

its xmas hes using you to gaslight with he wold find another reason if it wasnt december birthdays anniversaries just ignore him

Twiddlet · 16/12/2020 08:51

OP, can I just say in the most simple, clear way possible: love isn’t like this.

This man chose to spend £400 in a stripclub, understandably upset you with that and many other things, and now his way of showing you how in love you two are and how you are right for each other is to threaten you, blame you, refuse to accept this is his own doing (and it could not be more his own fault), he makes you feel anxious, insecure and out of control.

This is not a healthy, loving relationship. He adds stress and unhappiness to your life. He sounds absolutely horrible. Do not cave in to his threats and manipulation. Get rid of him and free yourself up to find someone better that shows you real loving behaviour, OP. This man is making you utterly miserable. How can you ever trust him?

Twiddlet · 16/12/2020 08:55

Ps the anxiety is going to make you doubt yourself and your judgement, so I’d write a long list of his faults / fuck ups and look at that every single time you waver. Ask yourself, is this the behaviour of a man who suits me as a life partner? Or is this someone who is nothing like a partner and more like someone doing their own selfish thing without caring if it is causing huge upset my life?

Twiddlet · 16/12/2020 08:55

*in my life

NettleTea · 16/12/2020 10:57

If you had him back and 'forgot about it' and didnt mention any further issues you ever had, the immediate pain of him gaslighting and threatening to leave would be over, but the inner pain and destruction of your self esteem and self worth, plus anxiety etc would get greater and greater until you broke.

porcelaine · 16/12/2020 12:37

I think I am feeling anxious because I dont want to be making a big mistake here, I dont miss him, I feel lighter, but I am scared I am somehow ignoring the reality of the situation or not dealing with it. maybe because ive turned off the text notifications so he can't get in my head whenever he wants anymore, so I can just deal with it when it suits me, though I dont have the strength today I dont think. I will probably not read his messages for a while now because its just too much and it upsets me whenever I do. I still can't really believe this has all happened. but I dont feel like im being brave or strong or whatever at all, I just feel like I am blindly going forward, and I'm scared.

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ContessaDiPulpo · 16/12/2020 12:44

OP, if you feel lighter and don't miss him then that is a big clue that you are doing the right thing in holding firm. He is having a big strop because you won't sit back and let him do whatever he wants. You are not in the wrong, you really aren't.

It's normal to be scared in times of uncertainty and stress - a new, better normal will emerge in time Flowers

Cotswolds10 · 16/12/2020 13:10

It sounds to me that you are absolutely dealing with the reality of the situation. This is a very painful time and not reading his messages for a few days at a time is not sticking your head in the sand. It is a very wise move to give yourself space from his twisted manipulative tactics so that your head is a little clearer, to allow you continue making the right decisions for you and your children. None of you deserve the life he has inflicted on you so far. You will have some days where you feel stronger than others and this will be a long journey but you have made a start. If you cave, you will only have to start this journey all over again further down the line and you know that. You are stronger than you think you are and we are here for you when you don’t feel so strong.

user1471565182 · 16/12/2020 13:19

I've had anxiety in the past, im not an expert so maybe somebody else can comment as well, but i dont think it will be good for an anxious state of mind to leave that stuff unread. The best thing you could do is tell him to stop or you'l be looking at harrassment, you'll only contact him about kid stuff. If not you might have to block him and go through somebody else.

porcelaine · 16/12/2020 13:53

I opened his message. He just said it takes 2 to wreck a marriage, that he hopes my rage keeps me warm at night and that I’m happy on top of my high horse.
I feel shit.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 16/12/2020 13:56

Oh ignore him. You didn’t wreck your marriage doing all the right things.

He’s just having a tantrum.

Anyway you can get electric blankets you can leave on all night now 😃