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h went to strip club - thread 2

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porcelaine · 13/12/2020 10:33

hi all,
as my thread has filled up I am starting a new one. I genuinely cannot thank you who posted enough for giving me some much needed strength.
he has been calling me this morning, I haven't picked up. I have no intention of it. I also took notifications off my text messages so I only access them when I want to. its not ideal but I have realised he may be trying to make me look unreasonable atm to gain "the upper hand" (in his mind} and texting with him really upsets me.
I am currently going through quite a lot of guilt which I am not sure is normal in this situation, but where I feel like, even if we tried again and everything was somehow ok, its not the life I want for myself. I want to be with a man of better character who I actually like and respect, and I want to be able to do things like my book without being emotionally thrown off, and I want peace in my home for dc. all those things would have a good effect on dc too, but I am worried that this is about me putting myself first by saying no, I dont want this anymore. does that makes sense?

OP posts:
DPotter · 16/12/2020 23:59

Amongst the reasons men have given for going to a strip club and spending £400 that the family doesn't have - my wife is writing a book has never appeared.

Do not let that poster get in your head, anymore than the nasty message from your bully of a husband today. Your writing didn't not send him to the strip club

changedmynameforChristmas · 17/12/2020 00:14

@porcelaine

I could’ve been more forgiving after the strip club. I didn’t want to talk to him at all, I was sleeping apart, I was angry whenever he pushed to talk about it. I don’t know why I was so angry but I think it was just everything that happened. It got much worse when he started to turn it around on me. I think he did feel bad about it. I just needed to process it and feel the way I did, and he upped the ante so much. I don’t know if I could’ve been more forgiving though. Maybe I pushed him away. I guess I am believing that in some way it’s my fault it’s over. I know I didn’t want Xmas to be like this, I didn’t want epic rows and divorce threats.
Just read this thread, but did contribute on the other one.

Don't let Christmas get in the way of what you want to do. Make it nice for your children. You can do that. It's only a couple of days anyway.

You have to decide where to draw a line. He does not get to contribute. It is your decision since he betrayed you. Only you will know if you can forgive, but years down the line when you still remember will you have turned bitter and wished you had ended it there and then.
A tough one

lakesidexmas · 17/12/2020 00:58

OP can you access some counseling in RL?
Your self esteem seems to have taken a real battering through this experience and having someone to talk this through with might help.

If you are unhappy with the amount of time your DP is spending on something you talk to them about it.
You don't spend hundreds getting up close and personal with another person ( unless you are a dick)
He is the person responsible for his behavior because he is an adult.

porcelaine · 17/12/2020 01:05

Thing is when he went out that day we were fine as far as it seemed. No tensions, happy to be doing our own thing that weekend but a few plans for the next day. I brought him breakfast in bed during his lie in the next day (which I now feel stupid for.) I genuinely felt like Xmas would be good for us and we were slowly coming back from the summer. It’s just the blatant disregard shown by what he did. And the nastiness since. Saying that because I didn’t ask him to stay, I agreed to the breakup. I was purposefully not acting rash or kicking him out despite my feelings, because of dc and Xmas and not wanting to make a mistake. And he just left in the night!!
See I can access this anger when I am reminded, but I still feel really sad at quiet moments. I feel like I miss him, I miss just normality. I don’t know how to tell dc this is it.

OP posts:
chillied · 17/12/2020 01:25

Hey Porcelaine, he's a moody sulky bastard, and you are well rid. All his posturing about you not wanting him to come back, really your response should be "yeah, whatever" . Thank God he's gone. You dont have to tread on eggshells or pretend for the kids while he's being moody and sulky.

I simply could not write a book but I play a musical instrument while my DH is not musical, so a similar amount of time probably. DH is proud of me and happy for me that that makes me happy. So don't beat yourself up.about being brilliantly creative.

changedmynameforChristmas · 17/12/2020 01:31

Don't allow this man to stop you from having a happy life OP

RightYesButNo · 17/12/2020 02:06

@porcelaine

Thing is when he went out that day we were fine as far as it seemed. No tensions, happy to be doing our own thing that weekend but a few plans for the next day. I brought him breakfast in bed during his lie in the next day (which I now feel stupid for.) I genuinely felt like Xmas would be good for us and we were slowly coming back from the summer. It’s just the blatant disregard shown by what he did. And the nastiness since. Saying that because I didn’t ask him to stay, I agreed to the breakup. I was purposefully not acting rash or kicking him out despite my feelings, because of dc and Xmas and not wanting to make a mistake. And he just left in the night!! See I can access this anger when I am reminded, but I still feel really sad at quiet moments. I feel like I miss him, I miss just normality. I don’t know how to tell dc this is it.
Unfortunately, you weren’t fine. In your first thread, very early on, you said: He was emotionally abusive in the past, bad enough for me to leave twice then ask him to leave. So you’ve separated before and I’m sure the children must have noticed? I know you said things were “slowly coming back from the summer,” but does that mean they were bad this summer? Really think about this. That’s less than six months ago. You and DC cannot live your life on a rollercoaster, where he emotionally abuses you, ignores them while he plays on his phone, and then when he senses that you’re almost at the end of your rope, he suddenly pulls it together for a bit, treats you a little more nicely, plays the Disney Dad for a day or two, etc. The up and down isn’t healthy for you or them. You say how much the DC love him, and I’m sure they do love him as their father BUT are you mistaking them just being desperate for his affection? Because you also mentioned that in the week before the strip club incident, he was on his phone every night and ignoring the children (and then playing Disney Dad once you were upset about the strip club). So it just doesn’t sound fine.

You are going to have sad moments along with your anger. That’s natural. It doesn’t mean that a break-up or a divorce is wrong. I don’t think you should put up with more emotional abuse because you want to avoid temporary sadness, because the sadness will get less and less as time passes.

As for how you’ll tell DC, counseling can help you come up with a plan. Most Google results recommend you and H telling the children together, but that’s difficult if you’re in an abusive relationship. And I think so many of your comments show you’re still having trouble accepting this, especially since you’re having trouble rejecting his narrative about how the marriage broke down (it was not mutual - he spent the money, he insisted you feel a certain way, he threatened divorce, he left, he tried to emotionally blackmail you), but you are in one. Emotional abuse is domestic violence.

This page I found on Google, though it’s from some random American solicitor blog, has good information about protecting children from emotional abuse in divorce, with information you can consider before telling the DC.
www.weinbergerlawgroup.com/blog/newjersey-law-divorce-separation/emotional-abuse-divorce-protect-children/

This quote made me think of your situation, especially all these posts you have questioning how much is your fault (none) and whether you should have done more (no):
“Disengaging from a years-long toxic relationship is easier said than done — especially when you have to co-parent with an abuser. But if you want to get away from them, and go on with your life, you must stop giving them free rent in your head.”

justilou1 · 17/12/2020 05:19

You are second-guessing yourself because you are probably not accustomed to having any menta space left to think for yourself these days and it’s scary looking into the future after all this time having him there making al this mental “noise” for you. That’s why what you’re hearing (him) is starting to make sense to you... it’s what you’re used to. It feels safer to hand the reins over for someone else to lead. Well, now you’re driving your own bus! Be proud! Think your own thoughts! Shake him out!!! It will take time, but what you are thinking and feeling is entirely normal for women in your situation. You just have to learn to differentiate between “his” voice and yours. Yours is the strong woman who knew that enough was enough, and that he was a selfish prick.

NotAnotherUserNumber · 17/12/2020 08:20

@porcelaine

im wishing I didnt spend the time on my book at night the past few months. it seemed to make sense because dc were in bed and I could just focus but I wish I had just found another way because maybe I just wasnt trying enough. planning my book got me through the very painful separation in summer and im proud of it and what ive achieved so far but im like, maybe I AM a shit wife. maybe I AM selfish. maybe I DID make him feel like he had to go to a strip club!! and I hate this!! I'm so angry that now all I feel is this creeping regret, guilt and panic.
None of this is your fault! You are not selfish or a bad wife. Please don’t feel guilty.

It is clear from following your threads that this is all down to his behaviour and attitudes and there is nothing you could have done to keep this as a healthy happy rewarding relationship for you and your children long term. Even if he hadn’t gone to this strip club on this night, from an external prospective, it looks to me like he would have done something at some point to end your relationship.

I mentioned in your other thread that this reminds me so much of a family member of mine. She tried so desperately hard for years to do anything she could to make her marriage work, for the good moments and for the children. But when you are married to a selfish, disrespectful, emotionally abusive person, then it is never going to work. She finally had the strength to give him no more chances and I know it was a struggle and she felt all the doubt, guilt, regret and panic that you do. But I am so proud of her that she managed to end it and her life is so much better for it now.

I know I don’t know you, but I am proud of you too. I know how incredibly hard this must be for you. But I believe you can do it, because you deserve so much more than this and you deserve to not be with someone who thinks it is ok to emotionally manipulate and bully you.

LittleStepsDaily · 17/12/2020 16:37

It's normal to miss the usual routine so early on, and to be apprehensive about the future, but that doesnt mean you deserve the crap future you would have if you went back with him - you and your dc deserve better. They need to see you doing what is right for you - it isnt selfish, it is self preservation and a skill the dc need to see you using so they know it is ok for them to do the same thing themselves.
Take this a day at a time, or an hour at a time even.

Even if you were to blame - which are not - why is that such a bad thing? It has got you away from a relationship you werent that happy with, and that can only be a good thing

MadeForThis · 17/12/2020 18:59

Write down a list of everything he has done. And look at it when he tries to convince you that it's somehow your fault.

I bet nothing on the list was caused by you.

Read it. Get angry. Don't let him manipulate you and change the narrative.

GabsAlot · 17/12/2020 19:36

noone made him do anything op-hes a adult he went to the strip club of his own accord

he left because he wanted the control over the situaiton he called your bluff and it didnt work

stay strong

GabsAlot · 17/12/2020 19:38

and regardless this isnt about just the strip club is it

he sulks when you wont argue with him-he turns off the wifi he disppears to bed

does that sound like a grown man or a sulky child

porcelaine · 17/12/2020 20:22

can I ask for someone to just hold my hand right now. I just opened messages from h and he's now saying he left to get away from my verbal and emotional abuse, giving the example of when I asked to see his texts (and found out he'd deleted them), and also that I accused him of being a Disney dad which apparently caused him to think "I honestly didnt know what you'd do or say in the moment and I won't live my life in fear with someone like that". I remember being upset when I said that but not angry, or intimidating. he said he knows he's not perfect but I am a martyr and have refused to take any "constructive actions to save our marriage". and apparently he has 3 full pages of things I do that no one should put up with and I think everyone is out to get me, and he was only trying to save our marriage by trying to get me to talk last week.

I feel literally sick, like physically close to a panic attack. dc are in bed and I dont know why but these messages have done a fucking number on me. he has re written the script of last week and of our marriage to suit him being a victim of my emotional abuse who "fears" me. I am just.... I dont know. I didnt think he'd go there.

I really appreciate this thread and it has kept me strong, but I am not feeling strong at all right now.

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waitingforadulthood · 17/12/2020 20:30

He's an abusive man who is now grasping at all straws to hurt you and try to get you in line. He has to re write history to suit his ego. It's hateful and cruel, and he is choosing to do this. Again he's looking at your behaviour (much of which is falsehoods) and not his own. He's still not reflecting upon his actions, his choices and his behaviour. He's awful and you are better of out of it

NoGoodPunsLeft · 17/12/2020 20:33

He's trying to do anything he can do you look like the bad guy.

My dad did it, always moaned about my mum kicking him out yet forgot he was verbally & physically abusive 🤷🏻‍♀️

You have NOTHING to feel bad about Thanks

BlueSuffragette · 17/12/2020 20:43

He is manipulating the truth to do a real number on you. It is part of the emotional abuse he is used to inflicting on you and us ramping it up to inflict pain and rewrite history to put the blame on you. Please remember your earlier posts and try and see how he us now manipulating the facts. He can hurt you if you read his messages. My advice is to just delete them . Converse by whats app so he can see that you don't even bother opening them. Only converse if it is about contact for the children. Preferably get a solicitor to get this agreed to specific times. Try and take control of your future. Small steps forward. Dont loom back and dont let him make you feel like a piece of shit on his shoe. He paid some woman to prance about without her clothes on. He disrespected you and your marriage. You deserve so much more.

Catmaiden · 17/12/2020 20:46

Oh @porcelaine it is REALLY not you. It's all him.
Please, please just block him and ignore him

LAgeDeRaisin · 17/12/2020 21:01

He's rewriting the narrative because he is terrified of the guilt and shame of accepting what he has done and how he treated you afterwards (which in my opinion is actually worse than the money and strippers- although that is of course awful)
He is twisting what happened because he can't face up to what he did.
He's gaslighting and bullying you.
But it does at least give you some certainty- you definitely can't take him back. How could you ever be with someone who thinks so little of you? Someone so nasty?

You sound like a wonderful mother. You sound resilient, hardworking, a great role model for your children. You're even nice enough to doubt yourself in spite of overwhelming evidence in your favour. You deserve so much more. You can do this.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/12/2020 21:16

Oh my love, he is so fucking textbook it hurts! Please don't let him do this to you.

Google 'DARVO' and you'll see him probably word for word. See these pics I've attached and here is a passage from an article - you can see how he's using a tactic abusers use, right?

Here it is:

Gaslighters, those who respond with DARVO when confronted about bad behavior, feed on your self-doubt. Even people who start out quite sure of themselves, if mistreated enough, become mentally and emotionally malleable. The more you’ve been attacked, whether physically, sexually, or emotionally, the easier it is for other people to destabilize you going forward.

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MiniCooperLover · 17/12/2020 21:17

Tell him he can rewrite history as much as he'd like but no matter what he says or does you'll always know the truth. You need to fight back against this as he's laying the groundwork by putting jt all down in messages

AxeCapital · 17/12/2020 21:22

100% DARVO (good link @youvegottenminuteslynn) He is trying to tarnish your character and make you doubt everything.

Do not let him in your head.

Read back over your own posts or, if it helps, write down all the things he has done. Facts. Read them daily to remind yourself you haven’t imagined it, nor are his texts truthful.

I agree that you need to ignore the messages.

Can you use a family member to communicate about the children only?

RandomMess · 17/12/2020 21:30

You need to block him and stop reading his lying shite that he spouts.

It takes 2 people to make a marriage to work and only one to wreck it!!!

He is trying every trick in the book to get you back and get you under his thumb.

Keep strong and block his contact with you is poison to your soul because you are a kind loving person and he isn't.

Thanks
lakesidexmas · 17/12/2020 21:37

OP this is typical behavior from weak people who are unable to accept their own behavior.
They just dump their own poor behavior on the other party and then feel ok about themselves.
I would look at getting a solicitor and getting them to arrange dc contact so you can disengage with his messages.

I would consider drafting a message saying that your marriage is over and you don't need to keep discussing the past. You are going to focus on decent co-parenting arrangements for the kids moving forward.

Of course he has rewritten the past but of course he was going to. It doesn't matter. You know the truth and everyone who lives and cares for will too.

billy1966 · 17/12/2020 21:50

@youvegottenminuteslynn

Oh my love, he is so fucking textbook it hurts! Please don't let him do this to you.

Google 'DARVO' and you'll see him probably word for word. See these pics I've attached and here is a passage from an article - you can see how he's using a tactic abusers use, right?

Here it is:

Gaslighters, those who respond with DARVO when confronted about bad behavior, feed on your self-doubt. Even people who start out quite sure of themselves, if mistreated enough, become mentally and emotionally malleable. The more you’ve been attacked, whether physically, sexually, or emotionally, the easier it is for other people to destabilize you going forward.

He will do and say anything to get you back under his thumb, accepting his scummy, sleezy behaviour.

His texts are a joke.
He is a joke.

Honestly OP, he is showing you every single day just how awful he is.

You could never trust, respect, hell even like such a sorry excuse of a man.

He is lying scum to his finger tips.

YOU know the truth.

Don't allow his pathetic lies to touch you.

He will say ANYTHING to justify his disgusting betrayal and lies.

You are a strong, capable woman who can do this.Flowers

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