To find drag queens offensive?

[MrsMummy500]

AIBU to find drag queens really bloody offensive?

I hate the term offensive, it’s bandied around far too often at far too insignificant things (am aware this may be one of them). BUT, men dressing up as some fetishised version of a man made ideal of a woman really pisses me off. Hyper hair, max make up, drink in hand, revealing clothes.

I do not know a single woman like that. It riles me and I feel like I’m unable to express it as women have lost so much of their space to LGBTQ+ community (I perceive this, I don’t say it as a fact).
potential bomb drop alert but if white people are taken down (rightly IMO) for ‘blacking up’ should it be acceptable for men to parody women in the form of drag queens.

Ps- I do not buy for one minute that they are celebrating the female form with balloon breasts. It feels more like a piss take.

@Quaagars

I wish the pp's drag queen pal would come along to 'make mincemeat of us'

What world do you have to be inhabiting "up there" to think that is actual violence though - making mincemeat out of a worded argument isn't literal violence as some posters seemed to think!
You as well by the looks of it

Only one poster thinks it - or is peddling it to detract from the perfectly valid questions raised by that poster which were completely ignored.

Why the heck have started to talk about trans people?!

I've just started commenting, see kimchi's got there first, so I'll just say yep at this I suppose we were missing a bit of transphobe chat
It's a thread about drag! Not trans. Can't have a thread without it descending into a trans one even if it isn't, can we?!

Maybe we are a double act after all lol

I am increasingly getting annoyed by this - YANBU!

'What world do you have to be inhabiting "up there" to think that is actual violence though - making mincemeat out of a worded argument isn't literal violence as some posters seemed to think!'

I wish the pp's drag queen pal would come along to try to make mincemeat of our comments. They would have no chance.

That clearer for ya, hmm?

@EverybodystalkingaboutJamie

I am increasingly getting annoyed by this - YANBU!

Sorry - with your username im intrigued as to whet your thoughts on this are?

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'What world do you have to be inhabiting "up there" to think that is actual violence though - making mincemeat out of a worded argument isn't literal violence as some posters seemed to think!'

I wish the pp's drag queen pal would come along to try to make mincemeat of our comments. They would have no chance.

That clearer for ya, hmm?

Not what you said.

I've hated men in drag since I was a child. Hated the panto dame and hated disgusting Dame Edna Everage as well (my parents used to watch it). It all just feels so creepy.

@AlwaysLatte

I've hated men in drag since I was a child. Hated the panto dame and hated disgusting Dame Edna Everage as well (my parents used to watch it). It all just feels so creepy.

I know lots of children who find pantomimes scary.

@formerbabe there is a stark difference between finding pantos different and referring to drag artists as disgusting and creepy.

I wish the pp's drag queen pal would come along to 'make mincemeat of us' grin maybe they could do an AMA?

You.
Your exact words.

You only added "no chance" to it when it had to be pointed out to you that it was referring to comments.
Do you think people can't see what you wrote?!

You've lost me quaags

[quote Wheresmykimchi]@formerbabe there is a stark difference between finding pantos different and referring to drag artists as disgusting and creepy.[/quote]
What part of pantomimes do you think unnerves a lot of children?

@formerbabe sorry I meant finding pantos scary.

The dame or the villain , obviously.

But I went to see blood brothers and the narrator scared the shit out of me the same way that the woman in black did when I seen that live.

Nothing to do with people being disgusting.

You've lost me quaags

Why am I not surprised horse

'Why am I not surprised horse'

Try to be concise. Less rambling if you like.

'there is a stark difference between finding pantos different and referring to drag artists as disgusting and creepy.'

Disgusting is a bit dramalama they are however misogynistic, but you know that because enough of us have spelt it out repeatedly.

I was okay with drag when it was a niche thing. Went to Madame JoJos years ago, enjoyed the act, although on reflection it does ring true that many catty gags were anti women, I laughed at the time, maybe in maturity I wouldn't. I don't bear any ill will toward drag artists, they are entertainers, they are making a living, some of it I might consider to be in bad taste, but hey, I'm not the audience.

However, I'm really not keen on drag being mainstreamed. Drag queen storytelling, Ru Paul's drag race, Priscilla dance routines on a family show like Strictly.

Drag is risqué. Priscilla (the film at least) deals with pretty adult themes and uses adult language, I don't need my 10 year old to develop an interest as a result of Strictly and sneak off and watch it. The innuendo that drag comedy thrives on isn't suitable for a younger audience. Why are we exposing our young people to it?

[quote Wheresmykimchi]@formerbabe sorry I meant finding pantos scary.

The dame or the villain , obviously.

But I went to see blood brothers and the narrator scared the shit out of me the same way that the woman in black did when I seen that live.

Nothing to do with people being disgusting.[/quote]
I never said disgusting, I do find it sinister and can see why children may find it frightening. Or do you also like to minimize the feelings of children as well as women?

Oh and I haven't seen blood brothers but have seen the woman in black...it's meant to be scary...panto is meant to be fun, yet children often do find it scary which is interesting.

@Wheresmykimchi it's not deep, I was watching Strictly - it was a shit song - it's not even a musical I've watched! I change my username every 2 weeks - usually inspired by my immediate environment. Given your reaction I suspect I've been a bit too casual with my choice?😬

@GetOffYourHighHorse

You're wasting your time here. The briefest of searches reveals a whole history of male apologism, in the most tenuous of contexts. I can understand having that as a theme once in a blue moon, but to so consistently evoke social injustices against men, in a world still governed by the patriarchy... Well, let's just say its suspect to say the least.

It would be as if you had a poster, five out of every ten threads, asking why nobody ever points out that BAME people can be racist too, and how white people are constantly being victimised as racists, and how unfair and undiscussed that is.

That kind of position would be looked at with a very cold eye indeed. Its interesting that when it comes down to women, it just doesnt seem to be as big a deal.

Which was kind of the whole point of this thread, before posters with hidden agendas took over.

I'm out. /silences thread

I do find it sinister and can see why children may find it frightening.

As someone who doesn't feel frightened by drag, or pantomime, or find it sinister, I'm genuinely interested as I loved pantomime when I was little (and still do) what is so frightening about it?
Asking doesn't mean I don't believe other people are frightened, everyone's different, and completely acknowledge people might be.
Just trying to understand why?
When I was a kid at pantomime, the prince was usually played by a woman. (Doesn't seem to be the way now, it's a man playing the prince when I've gone as an adult!)
If anyone found drag sinister as a child such as Widow Twanky, did you also find the Prince sinister too?
Or is it just when men do it

I think the sheer size, heavy make up and the loud ott behaviour is intimidating and frightening to some.

Maybe girl children are creeped out by men disguising themselves as women instinctively. Maybe its that 6th sense many of us have as a protection? I hated the pantomime dames as a kid, thought Kenny Everett was vile when he dressed as that starlett with huge fake breasts, and find drag offensive now. So I haven't ever changed my response to it.

And no, I always found women safe and reassuring as a child no matter how they dressed. The principal boy was a hero, and was kind and caring to the female lead. There was no mockery of men in that portrayal.

In fact, thinking further, the female version of the male character was far nicer, gentler and more sensitive than a man would generally play the role.

@Campervan69

Maybe girl children are creeped out by men disguising themselves as women instinctively. Maybe its that 6th sense many of us have as a protection? I hated the pantomime dames as a kid, thought Kenny Everett was vile when he dressed as that starlett with huge fake breasts, and find drag offensive now. So I haven't ever changed my response to it.

Yes also for children, women are seen as safe generally. We tell children if they're lost, find a policeman or a lady to help you. Men are usually bigger, stronger, have loud, deep voices...there's good reason to be cautious. Perhaps men masquerading as a women turn their instincts upside down? Who knows, I'm just thinking out loud...