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Are people right to be worried about the vaccine?

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CutToChase · 11/12/2020 06:26

I had a "good tempered" argument with DP last night. He says theres no way hes putting something in his body that hasnt undergone all the checks and tests and says that normally vaccines take 20 years to approve.

I think that when I have a choice between a known negative (covid) and an unknown (vaccine) I will always take the unknown.

In response he says people have forgotten a minuscule proportion of people actually suffer from covid. He says this is all about money (however he is a conspiracy theorist...)

What do you think about the vaccine and the speed of it?

Also vote:
YABU = I will not be getting the vaccine
YANBU = I will be getting the vaccine

OP posts:
BonnieDundee · 12/12/2020 20:42

I don’t know what can be done about the lack of trust that exists. perhaps the experts not presenting wildly exaggerated figures at the Downing Street press briefings to frighten the public would be a start. Would you trust someone who had lied to you about something fairly important in the past?

Add to that one of the experts is set to massively profit from a large uptake in this vaccine.

Signaturesoftheworkers · 12/12/2020 20:43

Other countries haven't even approved any vacancies yet. By the time they do, we will have enough data to see that it's safe (or not).

I'm mystified as to when this arbitrary date falls when it suddenly becomes safe to have the vaccine Hmm.

What if in 9 years and 3 days people started laying eggs as a long term side effects but tragically you'd finally decided to have it 9 years and 2 days in?

Signaturesoftheworkers · 12/12/2020 20:45

HibouMilou - the triles where rushed - that's a fact.

Link please? or is this just Dave from FB again?

It's trials btw Smile

FangsForTheMemory · 12/12/2020 20:49

I'm a bloody sight more worried about dying of covid than I am of problems with the vaccine.

SnackSizeRaisin · 12/12/2020 20:56

They haven't shown that the vaccine reduces transmission yet, only that it reduces the risk of illness in the recipient. So there's no point arguing that people ought to have it to protect others.

Aside from that, we only generally agree to medical treatment for our own benefit, it is not ethical to pressurise people to do something for others . If we were all so altruistic and caring of others why do people drive to school in a 4 by 4 and sit with the engine running for 20 minutes, poisoning everyone else's children?

Personally I will be happy to take the vaccine for my own benefit when I get the chance, but I wouldn't if there was no benefit for me.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/12/2020 21:08

‘Other countries haven't even approved any vacancies yet. By the time they do, we will have enough data to see that it's safe (or not).’

US has approved Pfizer.

bloodpressureboiling · 12/12/2020 21:13

Other countries haven't even approved any vacancies yet. By the time they do, we will have enough data to see that it's safe (or not)

But they have. USA and Canada have approved Pfizer.
I think Russia is rolling out the Sputnik vaccine, and China have one as well?
It will be a matter of weeks or days for further approval. And Moderna, Novovax and several others are nearing the end of their stage 3 trials.

ZombieOnTheLawn · 12/12/2020 21:14

I plan on doing some research today Grin

That’s what your husband is doing. It involves watching YouTubes and reading blogs by people who aren’t medically trained in virology but ‘know a man who is’.

Then calling everyone who doesn’t agree with your minority view a ‘Sheeple’. Despite being a sheeple themselves by following all the other sheeples who also call everyone else sheeples.

Cloudesley · 12/12/2020 21:17

I am certainly hesitant about the vaccine and I'm not an anti vaxxer- my DD Was given the MMR at the height of the "concerns" about that, which I was sure was just flaky nonsense. But I will hang fire about this one. The fact that it won't stop transmission confirms that decision for me.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/12/2020 21:21

I wish people would stop saying it won’t stop transmission.
The fact is we don’t yet KNOW if it will or not. There’s a good chance it will reduce it even if it doesn’t stop it altogether but until we have firm data it is important to carry on acting as if we can transmit.

bloodpressureboiling · 12/12/2020 21:23

The fact that it won't stop transmission confirms that decision for me.

The fact???? Fact??? Where is your source?

We simply don't know the answer to that yet.

Cloudesley · 12/12/2020 21:27

Ok, the fact that it may not stop transmission
/sorry

blackkitty1234 · 12/12/2020 23:21

I’m not getting it. No way. It’s undergone extensive animal testing including cats and dogs.

HibouMilou · 12/12/2020 23:23

@Signaturesoftheworkers

It was not me who said this. Someone else.
It was also someone else who spelled trials wrongly.

If you visit my posts, you see that I had commented that the trials were fast, but scientifically rigourous.

Signaturesoftheworkers · 12/12/2020 23:24

HibouMilou

Profusely apologize Blush.

bloodpressureboiling · 12/12/2020 23:41

I’m not getting it. No way. It’s undergone extensive animal testing including cats and dogs.
And your source?

I thought one of the reasons that they were able to proceed to human trials so quickly was because they missed out the animal testing stage?

MaryLeeOnHigh · 13/12/2020 00:10

Don’t start blaming healthy people because they aren’t putting you before their own health.

I'm not, @flaviaritt, because I fully intend to have the vaccine. What I am concerned about is people like new born babies who haven't been vaccinated, or vulnerable people who can't have the vaccination for medical reasons, being unnecessarily put at risk because others choose to risk spreading the virus rather than having the vaccine themselves.

If you don't want the vaccine, I trust you won't be complaining if you find you can't access venues where you may put others at risk.

MaryLeeOnHigh · 13/12/2020 00:12

Also some people will be of the opinion that if they didnt watch the.news they wouldn't know there was a pandemic. I work in a hospital and I only know 2 people who have had it, neither seriously

That sounds wildly unlikely unless you live in the back of beyond and don't know many people. Without trying very hard, I can think of eleven people I know who have had it, one of them very seriously.

MaryLeeOnHigh · 13/12/2020 00:20

I will not be pushed into injecting something into my body I am not comfortable with, sorry if that upsets you

No, it doesn't upset me. So long as it doesn't upset you to continue taking precautions to prevent other people being infected by you.

blackkitty1234 · 13/12/2020 00:21

@bloodpressureboiling

I’m not getting it. No way. It’s undergone extensive animal testing including cats and dogs. And your source?

I thought one of the reasons that they were able to proceed to human trials so quickly was because they missed out the animal testing stage?

Sadly not. Here are example of them testing on cats and dogs. There is plenty more evidence out there of them testing on a variety of different animals.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2020/9/29/1_5125849.html

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.hindustantimes.com/videos/coronavirus-crisis/covid-update-cat-drug-test-for-humans-india-work-from-home-study-vaccine-test/video-xz1bm6Et03FFbt2F8HJbRN_amp.html

MaryLeeOnHigh · 13/12/2020 00:22

The fact that it won't stop transmission confirms that decision for me

It stands to reason that, as a minimum, it must reduce transmission. If people catch covid they risk spreading it all the time they are ill and for further periods beforehand and maybe afterwards. If they don't catch it, that risk goes.

ParlezVousWronglais · 13/12/2020 00:28

I’m not sure I’d have one. Most of the Covid vaccines are using fairlily new technologies, novel platforms, and I don’t know if there are any long term or even medium term effects.

It is based on the vaccine for previous SARS.

Well bollocks to that hun that vaccine was thrown out it was no good in the end. Not reassuring.

winetime89 · 13/12/2020 00:51

I don't want the vaccine but il probably have to have it if I want my children to be able to go abroad on holiday. Not happy about it but il do it if that's the only way we can go on holiday.

flaviaritt · 13/12/2020 08:27

What I am concerned about is people like new born babies who haven't been vaccinated, or vulnerable people who can't have the vaccination for medical reasons, being unnecessarily put at risk because others choose to risk spreading the virus rather than having the vaccine themselves.

I am sorry that some people are more vulnerable to viruses than others. I truly am. It is not an excuse to take away people’s bodily autonomy, including discriminating against them for choosing not to put a particular medication into their body.

Torvean32 · 13/12/2020 08:59

@MaryLeeOnHigh

Also some people will be of the opinion that if they didnt watch the.news they wouldn't know there was a pandemic. I work in a hospital and I only know 2 people who have had it, neither seriously

That sounds wildly unlikely unless you live in the back of beyond and don't know many people. Without trying very hard, I can think of eleven people I know who have had it, one of them very seriously.

I live in a large city in Scotland. I dont know anybody that has had it. So it's not impossible for ppl to have not known of many ppl that have had it.
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