EU blackmailing the UK

[houseinthesnow]

So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

Don't we import most of our beans?

Which papers do you read, out of interest? I read the Times and it seems very balanced.

Hohoho. The Times is owned by Murdoch, and is also Eurosceptic.

I prefer The Economist.

@MrsMiaWallis

It was widely discussed and dismissed out of hand by the Leave side. Because they lied and made up fair stories

Yes lots of lies from Leave, but the EU has never said this new request would be on the table.

If you say so.

Given this is a highly predictable outcome, that no economists or EU-watchers are surprised by, and that little old me understood as a possibility back in 2016, maybe you were just reading the wrong stuff.

The EU demand that we cannot deviate from their laws in perpetuity is ridiculous.

Well, no. It's a perfectly simple requirement that if they are to buy our products they have to conform to their standards. Why would they want to buy sub-standard goods? I want to to know why our government doesn't want to conform to EU standards, it's not as if it doesn't benefit us as well.

And therein lies the real reason remainers were so upset about the vote.... how can us thicko plebs possibly know 'the truth'

If leave voters knew "the truth", how come the current situation comes as such a surprise to them?

So people who voted leave are a bunch of thickos who listen to soundbites and bus slogans?

I would not say this, but either what Vote Leave said was true, or those who were convinced by their campaigning were misled.

Looks like most of our haricot beans come from North America.
But the good news is there's now a strain that can be grown here ion our soggy, low light island!
www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/where-have-you-bean-new-high-protein-crop-could-sprout-up-in-uk-11807490

Agree with every word and altho the response from this site comes as no surprise , I do find it bizarre that remainders are so manically dogmatic in their support of the EU’s intent on inflicting as much damage as they can to ensure nobody else exercises a democratic decision to leave their cabal. It’s a sort of militant Stockholm Syndrome on speed. It’s like apologising to somebody who’s beating you with a club. At every turn the remain faction have tried to pervert the course of democracy ; to berate, belittle and abuse anybody who had the temerity to disagree with their political prejudice. The 2019 election was an emphatic endorsement of the referendum result. Yet the remain flagellants are determined to whip themselves in manic adoration of Brussels. Self loathing and a curled lip sneer will achieve nothing. We have left the EU in a free democratic vote. To do anything else is a form of dictatorship. And who would want that ?

@Pyewhacket

Agree with every word and altho the response from this site comes as no surprise , I do find it bizarre that remainders are so manically dogmatic in their support of the EU’s intent on inflicting as much damage as they can to ensure nobody else exercises a democratic decision to leave their cabal. It’s a sort of militant Stockholm Syndrome on speed. It’s like apologising to somebody who’s beating you with a club. At every turn the remain faction have tried to pervert the course of democracy ; to berate, belittle and abuse anybody who had the temerity to disagree with their political prejudice. The 2019 election was an emphatic endorsement of the referendum result. Yet the remain flagellants are determined to whip themselves in manic adoration of Brussels. Self loathing and a curled lip sneer will achieve nothing. We have left the EU in a free democratic vote. To do anything else is a form of dictatorship. And who would want that ?

You need to use paragraphs to break up this rant

Hmmm, flageolot beans come from France and cannellini beans from Italy.
Not so good.

@Cygne

The EU demand that we cannot deviate from their laws in perpetuity is ridiculous.

Well, no. It's a perfectly simple requirement that if they are to buy our products they have to conform to their standards. Why would they want to buy sub-standard goods? I want to to know why our government doesn't want to conform to EU standards, it's not as if it doesn't benefit us as well.

It's perfectly possible to have excellent standards without having to take on EU standards that favour Germany (hence Germany winning many contracts over UK firms).

The UK is self sufficient in broad beans apparently, but baked beans are imported...

Levels of delusion still running high amongst Brexiteers I see.

The EU are simply implementing the rules that they implement for every other country outside of the bloc. We chose to leave, we asked for this, Remainers warned about this for the last 5 years and were called traitors for it.

The only thing that is in any way surprising about this shitshow is that there are still so many of you idiot Leavers willing to be fucked up the arse by Boris, JRM, Farage, Odey and the rest. It would be funny if you weren't dragging the rest of us down with you.

I cannot tell you how much I loathe people like you, OP, still cheering this on and blaming everybody else for the fuck-ups to come. You are beyond redemption.

You lot voted to leave the customs union and are now whinging that you've got what you wanted.
I'm sure brexiteers aren't all thick as shit, but by god you do a good impression of being so.

What a pile of crap @Pyewhacket. We are (allegedly) negotiating in our own best interests and the EU are doing the same. This is how trade deals work. Huffing around like an overgrown teenager whining that everything is "so unfair" is ridiculous.

Oh for goodness sake - it was always going to be like this.
When you are part of a club you get all of the benefits of that membership. When you leave you don't. It's why most of us found it impossible to think that anyone would want to leave the EU, as we are so embedded in it.

This makes no sense. The whole point is the EU wants us to carry on as we are, continue to be under their rules. And in voting Leave “we” don’t want that to happen.

What the EU is doing is carrying on as they always have. The UK position is that the EU should change to accommodate the UK's wants....

A similar position would be doing a deal with a US country that demanded that shops here sold goods that could be made more cheaply than our own producers could by removing our standards for the producers in that country while saying our own producers make teh goods to those standards.

eg saying chicken farmers in the US can send chickens over to be sold here made safe by chlorine dipping, yet insist UK farmers use better aerated sheds to produce food standard meat. The UK production method is much more expensive. Saying that if US farmers want to trade in the UK then they can only sell chickens produced to our standards is the level playing field / fairness that the EU is wanting.

Carlin Peas are a traditional British beans, they store well too so we can stockpile now in case of high inflation in food prices

is this your Year 10 homework and you want help

It is, OP, complete and utter twaddle.

I didn’t think anyone would fall for Boris’ desperate attempts to conceal his incompetence but it appears you have.

You didn’t know what you were voting for. I don’t mean that in an insulting way - it’s just the truth. On the day you voted, you didn’t know if you were voting for a no deal, a Norway deal, a Switzerland dead, a Canada deal or an ‘Australian-style deal’. Those options weren’t on the ballot paper and no one knew. You just voted to ‘leave’. We aren’t being blackmailed - no deal was always the most likely outcome, which you must have realised (and probably dismissed as Project Fear?) And here we are.

Well I've fallen down a bean filled rabbit hole.

Turns out the import of beans is much more complicated than I would have thought.
All these different companies in different countries negotiating different tariffs and standards.
Who'd have thunk it, eh?
www.cbi.eu/market-information/grains-pulses-oilseeds/dried-kidney-beans/market-potential

It's perfectly possible to have excellent standards without having to take on EU standards that favour Germany (hence Germany winning many contracts over UK firms)

Yes it is but if you want to sell into the EU market, then you have to abide by their standards.
Same as any US company has to.

German and UK companies have to abide by the same standards, if German industry is more competitive, thats a problem with UK companies not German ones.

Maybe we are not just good enough and/or lack experience?

What did you expect would happen?

If the EU grants a nice deal to the UK, then what incentive is there for any of the member states to stay in the EU? The EU has to treat us like shit to ensure its own survival.

Am I happy? No. Do I understand their position? Absolutely.

I know who I blame for this and it's not the EU...

While I don't know what's going to happen when we leave and I'm obviously anxious about it, I do think that the doom mongers are being a little bit hysterical about it all. Also all remainers have been saying that people who voted leave would now change their minds and vote remain, I think this is absolutely way off the mark! I know many people who voted leave and not a single one of them have changed their minds! I think this was borne out by the results of the general election last year! The huge vote for the conservatives was based mainly on the promise that they would carry out brexit! Remainers are delusional if they think the majority would vote differently given another vote. For the record I didn't vote as I see the benefits and pitfalls of both staying and leaving.

the EU will crumble

As a forriner outsider looking in, it always amazes me that some think that the health and future of the EU is in Britain's hands. You are getting exactly what you voted for. You've got your blue passport and mighty empire back.

The EU are rightly protecting its member states. I have a passport for 2 EU countries and it would be a cold day in hell before I would vote leave. Especially seeing what a shit show the UK has made of it. You're a cautionary tale for the rest of us.