EU blackmailing the UK

[houseinthesnow]

So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

They certainly weren't "French".

You mean the Normans that invaded England?

They held land in France.
They were French nobles.
They spoke French.

There is something about quacking and ducks here.

. I don't see too many flocking to Bulgaria for example to work and live... Tell that to the 18000 Brits who have moved there. In fact it sounds rather attractive. Perhaps I will add it to the counties I daydream about moving to to escape Brexit and the British winter.... www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/life-in-bulgaria-after-brexit-a-no-brainer-for-expats/

Captain Hindsight will talk of crash. Many will see opportunity for world leading growth. The EU might stagnate with it's incremental increases in GDP and no crashes. The sovereign UK will, at some point in the future, have % growth that would be the envy of the world. probably.

@Zilla1

Repeat things doesn't make them true.

The EU has an elected parliament and has an effective "head of state" composed of all the elected leaders of the member states. There is literally no way that it can be reasonably argued that there is no democratic countability in the EU. You might not like the effectiveness of the EU parliament, but that does not mean that it is not a democratic body that passes EU law.

If im honest this whole ‘brave enough to post’ idea is a bit pathetic

All 18000 compared to how many millions to the UK.. 🤔

And im assuming the same posters who are terrified of posting are also shit scared of pressing the YABU/YANBU buttons

Captain Hindsight will talk of crash. Many will see opportunity for world leading growth. The EU might stagnate with it's incremental increases in GDP and no crashes. The sovereign UK will, at some point in the future, have % growth that would be the envy of the world. probably.

Okay, Captain Crystal Ball. The brexiter's record on predicting the future is rock solid.

"Easiest deal in history"

Yup.

There is literally no reason to believe a single brexiter forecast at all.

Eleganz, they might have passed one Tebbit test and got on their bike to Hastings but the impression I got was that they remained Norse so wouldn't have passed the Tebbit test of cheering for the right team in cricket (or archery? jousting?). I'll defer to your knowledge of the Norsemen Normans as you seem to know what you are talking about. I remember they spoke French and ruthlessly imposed it on the poor Saxons, making them use French-esque words for meats and things. Terrible cultural oppression.

@houseinthesnow

So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

Sorry to break it to you but most beans are imported: theconversation.com/how-brexit-will-affect-each-ingredient-of-the-full-english-breakfast-95020

@Eleganz , the UK government seem to be delivering an Australian deal (solution) easily. Did that Minister ever specify in detail the deal he said would be quick/easy? I don't remember so a genuine question.

@Zilla1

Eleganz, they might have passed one Tebbit test and got on their bike to Hastings but the impression I got was that they remained Norse so wouldn't have passed the Tebbit test of cheering for the right team in cricket (or archery? jousting?). I'll defer to your knowledge of the Norsemen Normans as you seem to know what you are talking about. I remember they spoke French and ruthlessly imposed it on the poor Saxons, making them use French-esque words for meats and things. Terrible cultural oppression.

Of course Sicily was ruled by the Normans for a while too.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Sicily

@Eleganz , the UK government seem to be delivering an Australian deal (solution) easily. Did that Minister ever specify in detail the deal he said would be quick/easy? I don't remember so a genuine question.

You mean no deal? There is no "Australia-style deal" agreed, because there has been no deal done. Australia trades on WTO terms (no deal) apart from some sector specific agreements, we won't even have those sector specific agreements.

Please stop with the lying propaganda, it makes you look foolish.

All 18000 compared to how many millions to the UK.. 🤔

Around 120,000 Bulgarians in the UK, I believe. Nowhere even close to one million, let alone ‘millions’.

@eleganz,

"@Zilla1

'Repeat things doesn't make them true.

The EU has an elected parliament and has an effective "head of state" composed of all the elected leaders of the member states. There is literally no way that it can be reasonably argued that there is no democratic countability in the EU. You might not like the effectiveness of the EU parliament, but that does not mean that it is not a democratic body that passes EU law."

I think this might relate to a copying failure in my part. I copied a post by the OP to make a point about Putin and Xi but for some reason (my incompetence), the quotation marks and OP label didn't appear at the top and I think the 'OP' label appeared in the middle of the OP's copied text.

I've not made any posts about the EU's democratic accountability, I think.

I just wanted to avoid any unfortunate implication that someone could say that Putin and Xi had any interest in Brexit which I expect they don't. Probably.

We CANT house everyone in Europe, it is just not physically possible, and without controls how on earth do we ever manage it? Answer that, anyone.

Who is saying we have to house the whole of Europe? My answer is someone’s been telling porkies and you can stop worrying.

@eleganz, but everyone will have heard the UK PM mention an Australian deal. I suppose if he needed to justify any petty-fogging criticism and details, he could argue the UK signed up to WTO Treaties/rolled along GATT provision that will underpin the Australian deal so that makes the Australian solution an Australian deal. Probably. Don't forget, it's the big picture, not the detail.

@borntobequiet, An ambitious, brave country like the UK could house the whole of Europe if it wanted to. As a challenge. Might take double decker or triple decker layers to the countries' housing while still keeping some of the green and pleasant land areas?

@DGRossetti, France. Sicily. Sounds like the Norse Men may have had issues with second and third house/holiday home ownership.

@FastMovingLuxuryGoods, at first they were afraid, they were petrified.....

@DGRossetti

Cos trade deals with Australia are the way forward for the economy huh?

Even the most noddy neural network, fed with a map and borders of Europe worked out that Great Britain should concentrate 80% of it's effort on dealing with the countries within a few hundred miles. If a 5 year old can see it, you have to wonder.

The real problem Brexiteers have (of many) is they really really really would have preferred it if the British Isles were where Cuba is.

Slime mould can work out this sort of stuff and it’s only a single cell!

Maybe the government should hire it as a SPAD. It would also look better and have a nicer personality than Dominic Cummings.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000pxp1

@LongPauseNoAnswer

the EU will crumble

As a forriner outsider looking in, it always amazes me that some think that the health and future of the EU is in Britain's hands. You are getting exactly what you voted for. You've got your blue passport and mighty empire back.

The EU are rightly protecting its member states. I have a passport for 2 EU countries and it would be a cold day in hell before I would vote leave. Especially seeing what a shit show the UK has made of it. You're a cautionary tale for the rest of us.

Same here.. absolutetly astonishing. The EU will be absolutetly fine without you- not what I would have wanted and absolutetly tragic in my opinion- but still the EU will survive. The UK - not so much.

Millions? of Bulgarians? Of all EU citizens in the U.K.? Of all immigrants in the U.K.?

If that is your perception, no wonder you are scared we are going to sink under the weight of all this humanity 😂

There are 103000 Bulgarians in the U.K. the vast majority of working age and in work, paying taxes. From a recent LSE survey “ The 2018 survey of Bulgarians in London challenges such stereotypes. First, among the sample of 151 people interviewed, only 4 respondents gave their status as unemployed, with half of them being employed full time, some of them – especially those in their 30s – working a second job overtime, and the rest being self-employed or working part-time. A wide range of jobs were reported, including high-skilled jobs such as IT specialists, analysts, programmers, engineers, university lecturers, teachers, marketing and public relations coordinators, accountants, sales representatives, designers, tax specialists, construction managers, photographers, dental practitioners, and students attending London universities, among others. Low-skilled jobs were also present, typically those related to cleaning and housekeeping services and care-provision, mostly among women; as well as car-mechanics, chefs, construction workers and stage workers in the theatre, which were typical jobs for men.”

Scary eh? These Bulgarians coming here with their skills and contributing to the economy

By the way forgot to add a link to how idyllic life in Bulgaria for a peaceful retirement sounds - no brainer indeed www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/life-in-bulgaria-after-brexit-a-no-brainer-for-expats/

You can just about get to 3m if you include all the EU citizens in the U.K. including the ones who were born here. Again most are working and contributing to the economy but some are like my Brexiteer mother who has an Irish passport courtesy of my great grandfather, I have threatened to send her back. Perhaps we could have flights to Dublin compulsorily repatriating useless wastrels like her who are living off the state to a country they have never actually lived.

Think it is stretching it to describe 3 million as millions...

There is NO accountability whatsoever within the EU.

What, none, anywhere? Goodness me. What a benighted, uncivilised place. Next thing, you’ll tell me they have no proper toilets. Ugh.

@eleganz, but everyone will have heard the UK PM mention an Australian deal. I suppose if he needed to justify any petty-fogging criticism and details, he could argue the UK signed up to WTO Treaties/rolled along GATT provision that will underpin the Australian deal so that makes the Australian solution an Australian deal. Probably. Don't forget, it's the big picture, not the detail.

They heard government ministers repeatedly lie about no deal being equivalent to Australia-style, yes. Doesn't make it true.

WTO/GATT is what we will have. Australia has sector specific trade deals with the EU on top of that. There is clear daylight between leaving on WTO terms and Australia's trading relationship with the EU. This is not a minor detail.

Of course neither is the fact that Australia is engaged in free trade talks with the EU. I'm guessing the Australia-style deal isn't what the Australians want. Why would that be?

The problem is that the substance of what we are doing actually matters, even if it is boring to certain members of the public and government ministers. Whether we have sector specific deals or not may not float your's or Boris's boats but it does affect jobs and the cost of living.