EU blackmailing the UK

[houseinthesnow]

So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

I suggest you do some travelling and go and live in a few different countries, then come back and see if you feel the same way. Been there, done that and raised two third country kids along the way. What I discovered and they know at an even deeper level is that all humans on this planet have more in common than sets us apart. Nothing separates a citizen from an expat from an immigrant from a refugee except circumstances. And what sets us apart can provide so much enrichment to our lives and open our minds to new ideas.

On returning what struck us was how, in contrast to where we had lived, people were close minded, angry and frustrated. Any everyday encounter over a perceived slight turns so easily into people going full on misogynist (since that is the minority I am part of) or in the case of people we knew, and cultures we valued, racist. So many people living with a frustrated sense of entitlement ready to burst out at any moment. It is no surprise there was rich pickings for a campaign that exploited that hatred, frustration and entitlement.

I spent time overseas proud of the liberal open society I came from, our capacity to find humour in everything, to be self deprecating and open, even if I had to accept the shame of the legacy of violence and exploitation we had perpetrated in the places I had lived in the guise of the superiority of our race.

I really am ashamed of where we are now, putting nets up to stop desperate people coming to our shores that could be me if it were not for the accident of my birth, electing blustering self serving populists without a shred of integrity, empathy, competence or even intelligence.

I really would like to live elsewhere, all the next generation of my family have left or will leave, a medic to Australia, a tradesman to France, a Scientist to wherever she can work for the best of mankind alongside scientists from all over the world as they do now, including in the fight against Covid, because Brexit will diminish their possibilities and opportunities, a young person in the creative industries who will go wherever still values them. Unfortunately my options are now more limited by my responsibilities as a carer in a society that leaves me with no other option and now by my passport.... You really are welcome to your little England as it goes over the cliff and sinks under the weight of its own hubris....

@AuldAlliance

houseinthesnow their public services are absolutely dire!! France is not much better

Could you give an example of public services in France that are worse than in the UK, please?

houseinthesnow

Could you reply to this before/as you down your glass of (forrin) wine? I'm hungry, too, and would like an answer.

merry I have already said she declared her income when she worked for us.

So your story is that she claimed benefits fraudulently for many years (which any one can do regardless of their nationality or situation because that is the nature of fraud), then started working for you and magically declared all her income to the tax authorities?

Cos trade deals with Australia are the way forward for the economy huh?

Even the most noddy neural network, fed with a map and borders of Europe worked out that Great Britain should concentrate 80% of it's effort on dealing with the countries within a few hundred miles. If a 5 year old can see it, you have to wonder.

The real problem Brexiteers have (of many) is they really really really would have preferred it if the British Isles were where Cuba is.

There were lots of good reasons to stay in the EU, generally related to economy. And peace.

There are still strong economic arguments for getting a trade deal ( what with the Eu being our biggest trading partner) . Even though we would no longer have the same control over the rules and regulations because we left.

If you choose not to believe it, that's your choice. If you still believe in the tooth fairy, that's also your choice

'Cos trade deals with Australia are the way forward for the economy huh?'

Apparently so, if they won't give us a trade deal because they're sulking. Please don't tell me free movement is part and parcel wah waah waah, we've been there done that conversation. A compromise could have been made. They want to punish us.

At least we can vote every few years and get shot of any UK government, how do you propose to do that within the EU exactly?

There is NO accountability whatsoever within the EU.
You get your allocated percentage of rudderless MEPs that cash in on the expenses and do FA for their stint, and then you get the power base within the EU dark rooms that make the decisions - and good luck if you think you can even try to remove them - do you even know who they are?

You would have more luck getting shot of Putin or Xi Jinping!

Or are you just saying that she claimed benefits to which she was entitled (which British citizens could also do in the EU) and also sent money back home (again something that British citizens could also do in the EU)?

For those being positive about leaving on WTO terms how do you think the JIT process can be addressed for industry in particular the car industry??

Totally agree with you OP. This has been the shape of relations between the U.K. (and it’s predecessor countries) and most of Europe for centuries of not millennia. Having a few decades of fake friendship was never going to override that. No doubt there will someone a long in a sec to tell us how amazing France and they’d move to this utopia of socialist philanthropic loveliness in a flash (based on their two week summer holidays in a French farm house and week skiing in Feb half term) ignoring the socially, economically and politically fucked up raciest nature of the place).

@houseinthesnow

So many seemingly have not been taught history or economics.

Nor even the basic art of list making

So my thoughts in 2016 on exactly why I was voting at the time of the vote were irrelevant because I didn't use the correct numbering system?

Not sure how that argument works for Eleganz list. Maybe it the inability to work out how to click on a link thats the stumbling block.

In context maybe the OP hasn't worked out the Previous page link thing either though... Maybe that explains the GFA invisibility cloak.

Could we talk about the GFA please? Pretty please?

merry four hours of cleaning money per week didn't really buy her a million pound pad in Surrey. As far as I could tell she still continued to claim what she was entitled to.

Some of us reading this thread are lucky enough to have an EU passport.

France is quite racy, that's true.

Australia has a population of 25 million and is 9 thousand miles away.

The EU has a population of 450 million and we share a land border.

The two are not comparable.

Sorry, that was for the fish-hater.

So many seemingly have not been taught history or economics.

Nor even the basic art of list making

Could you actually answer the questions you've been asked and respond properly to the points that have been made?

Engaging in ad hom, general dismissal without specifics, attempts at proof by assertion and just ignoring points do not help your credibility here. You are asking us to take your word for it.

@houseinthesnow

At least we can vote every few years and get shot of any UK government, how do you propose to do that within the EU exactly?

There is NO accountability whatsoever within the EU.
You get your allocated percentage of rudderless MEPs that cash in on the expenses and do FA for their stint, and then you get the power base within the EU dark rooms that make the decisions - and good luck if you think you can even try to remove them - do you even know who they are?

You would have more luck getting shot of Putin or Xi Jinping!

Well if people WILL vote for lazy fucker Farage and his mates.

Meanwhile a lot of other MEPs got through BRITISH led issues in the EP. Many laws on pesticides which we are now blaming on the EU and apparently want to repeal for example. Laws that I know people in the UK were doing most of the advising on...

The cleaner was probably taking out more than she was contributing but was able to have a good life at the UK's expense it seems

As far as I could tell she still continued to claim what she was entitled to.

So she claimed benefits to which she was entitled, just as a British citizen could claim benefits in the EU but you seem to be implying that she was doing something underhand?

Dh has made my dinner this evening, so I must go. I hope you have all had a great time venting your displeasure on the thread, to those few that have been brave enough to post, I know most leavers have long since given up - thank you.

I will see if you are right and we should not have left, in a few years time we can rejoin as a full member with the fully monty EU experience, so bear that in mind. If the EU is as great as you say, then that is always a possibility to campaign to be a fully paid up member (we have never been before as it has zero support, but who knows what the future holds)

And if we get on just fine, as I am sure we will, then we have saved a great deal of pain in a few years when Macon finally gets his way with the fully integration into all member states. Paid up army, fiscal union and all the rest. That IS coming make no mistake.

People like the OP try and disguise it, but their views always have lashing of racism and xenophobia with some good old WW2 analogies popped in too ("ruled by Berlin for example)

OP you seem mightily concerned about immigration - presumably you are happy that non EU immigration will likely rise drastically? When you drone on about "the commonwealth" being welcome people know what you mean

@houseinthesnow

So many seemingly have not been taught history or economics.

Nor even the basic art of list making

And some are just goady fuckers clearly intent on winding people up.

What's the matter, nothing better to do on a friday afternoon?

@houseinthesnow
How will you eat your beans when the UK can no longer
import the ingredients from the EU ?

"One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such."

Sometimes there just aren't the words to reply.