To want to know a benefit of brexit?

[Dishwashersaurous]

I know that brexit has been done to death. But as we crash into a no deal and inevitable queues at the border my children are asking what is the benefit of brexit.

Could someone please tell me a tangible benefit that I can tell them- as I am struggling to think of anything

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It is now much easier for skilled workers from outside of the EU to get a work permit for the UK.

So, a misjudgment on your part, then?

No.

Seriously, this is one of the most momentous changes in our lifetime. If you don't want to talk about it, that's your prerogative, but please stop trying to shut down the discussion amongst those who do. If it has Brexit in the title, just don't click on it.

I’m not disputing the import of it all, but there is nothing any ordinary citizen can do at this point so endlessly asking each other “What’s the point of it?” has become the sign of obsession or poor MH.

Go and “discuss“ it on the Brexit bloody board.

So we can import cheaper skilled workers more easily? A benefit?

And isn't it a pity that our negotiation skills are so great that we have failed improve animal exports across Europe ?

Personal benefit. I found out that my EU passport is now actually something to parade in quite a few job applications if I wanted to change a job😂 Nice change after years of trying to hide in them that I am foreign😁
Small blessings. Small blessings.

Sovereignty innit?🤮

Well, I'm still bewildered and would sincerely ask anyone who voted for Brexit to give an answer - I don't think that's "moaning".

@midgebabe

So we can import cheaper skilled workers more easily? A benefit?

Actually it isn't just cheaper low skilled workers. Medical recruitment is another area that will change dramatically. When I recruited doctors, anyone from outside the EU could only be considered for the post if no EU candidate was appointable. That meant doctors from India for example were effectively not able to be appointed until trusts had failed to get an EU applicant into post. That led to long delays, gaps and the best people not necessarily being appointed.

I recall a US doctor who had completed his medical degree and post reg time in a UK hospital on a student visa. He was in tears at leaving the UK but there was no point him staying as once he started applying for competitive training posts, he would be at the back of the queue for a post due to not being from an EU country and needing a visa.

There is no point to "why are we doing it" threads.

We have done it. We left on 31st March. We had a transition phase that is coming to an end, but we are gone.

Even if everyone changed their mind now, we cannot go back. We would need to renegotiate our membership again.

To want to know a benefit of brexit?

We will be able to set our own VAT rates, which means the government can’t claim that it is the big bad EU stopping us from zero-rating VAT on sanitary towels and tampon.

I am also sort of looking forward to the government having to take responsibility for their actions, and being being able to claim “but the EU made us do it”. I imagine he’ll drag it out for a fair while though.

the cheddar industry will flourish (because brie will become a luxury). I prefer cheddar. So yeah!

Cornish Brie is nice. I am however, struggling to find a British cheese similar to Cambezola.

(My cheese habit will bankrupt me if foreign cheese becomes more expensive after Brexit, so I have been busy trying British versions of my faves).

The blue passport thing annoys me.
I like in an area in the North of England that voted leave. No one I know gives a shiny shit what colour their passports are. Infact many are infrequent travelers who don't hold a current passport.

I could write an essay on why people voted leave but the crux of it is they felt disenfranchised by 10 years of tory austerity and were blatantly lied to by serving politicians. They were also lied to and misled by the right wing press who tricked them into believing the majority of their woes were caused by the EU rather than their own government.
This is who you should be angry with. It upsets me when ordinary people are blamed. It was a decision that should never have been given to the public, many of whom had little understanding of what the EU entailed. The stay campaign was very weak and poor. The leave campaign was much stronger and seemed to get much more publicity even though it was full of lies.
It should be a criminal act if a serving politician is found to have blatantly lied in service, especially on crucial issues.

The EU were also getting too big for their boots, especially with its superstate ideology and encroaching further and further east. Where will it end? Geopolitical change has often been a precursor to war historically.

I am a remainer by the way, as I do not trust the tories one bit and the positives of the EU outway the negatives but there are negatives.
We need to stop blaming one another and direct our anger at those really at fault.

Is there a Brexit board? Can't the discussions be confined to one space?

Exactly @HerFlowersToLove.

Now doctors, nurses, and other skilled roles are much easier to recruit for. You do not have to employ the mediocre Spanish candidate over the highly experienced Indian one.

No employer is going to go through the hassle of a Skilled Worker visa application if there is a plentiful supply in the UK workforce, but where they are struggling to recruit a good candidate they can now do so much more easily from the global market.

There are also minimum salary requirements for this visa, to prevent unscrupulous employers from bringing in workers and paying them a pittance.

We will be able to set our own VAT rates, which means the government can’t claim that it is the big bad EU stopping us from zero-rating VAT on sanitary towels and tampon.

To be fair from Jan 2021 sanitary products will be set at 0% VAT.

Well said @Foobydoo

The real possibility of the break up of the UK. Scottish independence, Welsh Independence, the Unification of Ireland, English Independence.

Scotland back in the EU lickity-split and England can sail on to whatever destiny it wants happy in the knowledge that we wish it the best of luck - but don't come whining to us when it all goes shit on you.

I know that there are no benefits.
So why start yet another goady thread about it if you are so certain? If you must start one then keep it on the Brexit board so that the rest of us can continue to read about nutty neighbours in peace.

I’m as pro-Remain as the next MNer but it’s bollocks to say there are no upsides at all. Any entity as large as the EU is always going to have some rules based on the overall consensus which we put up with for the big picture even though they’re not in our specific interests. I don’t think it’s worth it, not remotely, but some upsides do exist.

Some large potential pluses, depending on your viewpoint, are:
For the hard right, the ability to compete on tax rates and regulations. Not a huge fan of that myself, but a lot of people like it.
For the old left, the ability to subside manufacturing industry without getting into EU competition law problems
For some people, especially those with family links to South Asia, the ability to set immigration laws based on the UK’s needs and on a country’s historic links to the UK rather than prioritising EU citizens over everyone else in the world.
For certain sections of the old left, the wide scale immigration in recent years of cheap Eastern European labour is seen as a conspiracy by employers against the UK working class.

Scotland back in the EU lickity-split

Will Scotland not need to apply to join the EU, as an independent nation?

Id like to see a more protectionist economy that was not possible within the EU. A return of manufacturing and complete manufacturing supply chains to the UK. Our membership of the EU has coincided with a decline in British manufacturing and other industries eg Dairy. EU policies have not favoured British production.

It's all very well saying industry will suffer. The fact is it over the last 30 years already has suffered. The question is whether given time we can reverse that.

Freedom of movement has damaged low income wages. Hopefully we can rectify that given time.

People did travel to Europe prior to the EU. I have no doubt we will do again.

@DianaOfTheLakes Scotland would and it is likely countries with separatist regions wanting their independence (like Spain or France) would block it as it would make it impossible to say no their own separatist regions.

Go and “discuss“ it on the Brexit bloody board.

People post in AIBU about relationships. Do you insist that they should go to the relationships board instead?

People post in AIBU about schools. Do you insist that they should go to the education boards instead?

People post in AIBU about covid. Do you insist that they should go to the covid board instead?

People post in AIBU about the royal family. Do you insist that they should go to the royal family board instead?

...etc etc. AIBU is full of discussions about topics which have their own boards, it would be empty otherwise. There is no reason why Brexit shouldn't be discussed here, just like everything else...unless you're suggesting that the mere mention of it is seriously damaging to the mental health of the population?

If the thread title contains Brexit and you don't want to discuss it, just scroll on down and read another thread instead.

@Horizons83 there have been some very quiet scandals as a result of EU recruitment. Many appointees simply not up to scratch and having to be removed from their posts (on one occasion, en masse). For a long time, there was an insistence that no language testing of EU candidates was allowed, yet doctors from eg India faced rigorous language testing if they ever got to the stage of being offered a post. Fortunately that's changed now, but it was a disgrace.