To want to know a benefit of brexit?

[Dishwashersaurous]

I know that brexit has been done to death. But as we crash into a no deal and inevitable queues at the border my children are asking what is the benefit of brexit.

Could someone please tell me a tangible benefit that I can tell them- as I am struggling to think of anything

Can you be racist about a racist?

Evidently yes, since you can't call gammon (red-faced racists), gammon because they find it waycist.

@Graphista
I've asked on multiple threads about service industry, but in 2 days no response but yours. It does seem weird that something that our economy hinges on doesn't get any traction whilst fisheries elicit huge amounts of responses. Go figure.

You don't think very hard then. I predict though that if I can state one tangible benefit then you'll try to dismiss it as not worth it; but that isn't what you asked, and a personal value judgement that each person needs to make.

A tangible benefit is not making a net contribution to the EU budget. A second is then living in a democracy that can change its taxation though its elected representatives.

@glitter98

You don't think very hard then. I predict though that if I can state one tangible benefit then you'll try to dismiss it as not worth it; but that isn't what you asked, and a personal value judgement that each person needs to make.

A tangible benefit is not making a net contribution to the EU budget. A second is then living in a democracy that can change its taxation though its elected representatives.

Both are based on lies and not actual fact.

1. UK benefited financially from the EU and even more non-financial benefits (research etc)

1. The UK had every right to set it's own taxation. Corporation tax, paye taxes were all set by UK gov. What the EU did not allow is tax evasion schemes on a grand level. But now we have that pesky EU out, so the rich can get richer.

Do your ow research too many relying on what they have read of other peoples opinions and not necessarily looked onto it all themselves

Also i have to laugh at independence for scotland who then want to join eu , thats not really independence

@midfdbabe thats because 20 odd others have to agree you can only bring something to the table you can't force if through

@Thesandman welSh independance you don't get many in wales asking for this

@RandomLondoner

I've spent the past few months of lockdown plotting to buy a yacht. Never stepped on one in my life before, and it will probably never happen, due to other life commitments. But if I do buy it, Brexit could enable me sail it in the EU without paying VAT on it. I'm thinking of making Turkey my base and cruising the Mediterranean, spending 90 days each summer in EU waters. If I were an EU resident, I couldn't take a yacht into EU waters without being handed an 80K VAT bill.

I guess this might be more obscure than OP had hoped for...

(For those now wondering about the intricacies of VAT on yachts, in my plan I couldn't enter UK waters with it, as that would trigger a UK VAT bill. But compared to cruising in Greek islands in summer, UK waters aren't sufficiently attractive that I would pay 80K extra to sail here.)

Good to know someone who has never set foot on a yacht understands the VAT situation after Brexit, I work for a boat building company which has marinas here and in several other European countries and we're still not even sure what's going to happen 🤔

Other thoughts on the term 'gammon' I I know you referenced this Freddy

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/14/gammon-not-racial-slur-change-conversation

www.independent.co.uk/voices/karen-n-word-racism-white-women-julie-bindel-coronavirus-a9453201.html

I'd never use it. I think it verges on hate-speak. I think it is offensive and reductive. To quote Hadley Freeman's comments on "Karen,' I find it "ageist, sexist and classist."

My DH and I have different ethnically diverse backgrounds and we've chatted about this before. Our juries are still out on whether we think it's racist, or just unpleasant.

A friend wrote a blog about it last year and said that context mattered. Also that calling someone a gammon could never come close to the experience of racism that black people have encountered for generations, and the two had to be defined from each other. A black friend was actually quite angry about it, that white men were offering up this up as their experience of racism.

I'm not complacent about this - I can see several POV and I haven't crystalized mine yet.

A friend wrote a blog about it last year and said that context mattered. Also that calling someone a gammon could never come close to the experience of racism that black people have encountered for generations, and the two had to be defined from each other. A black friend was actually quite angry about it, that white men were offering up this up as their experience of racism.

Freddy is in effect saying that calling somebody a gammon is akin to calling a black person the N word, or a South Asian person the P word. Let that sink in for a second.

I'm not complacent about this - I can see several POV and I haven't crystalized mine yet.

Haven't crystalized yours yet? Is calling somebody a gammon the same as calling a black person the N word?

Freddy is in effect saying that calling somebody a gammon is akin to calling a black person the N word, or a South Asian person the P word. Let that sink in for a second

I can only assume that you haven't actually read any of the articles linked, or what I've written.

I don't need that point you made above to 'sink in,' but thanks anyway.

I don't need that point you made above to 'sink in,' but thanks anyway.

Really? Because judging by this comment "I can see several POV and I haven't crystalized mine yet" I think you really do...

You're welcome.

Really? Because judging by this comment "I can see several POV and I haven't crystalized mine yet" I think you really do...

Yeah, I should just adopt Smallgoon's view. Thanks, but no thanks.

Freddy is in effect saying that calling somebody a gammon is akin to calling a black person the N word, or a South Asian person the P word. Let that sink in for a second.

Really? News to me! I certainly don't remember saying I believed that.

Racism is racism right? Or are there levels? Can something be more racist than another? I'm confused. Gammon either has the same effect as the above, or it doesn't. It's either racist (your words) or it isn't. So which is it?

I'm not overly concerned about racial prejudice against rich white men tbh, as they generally experience less of it and certainly nothing close to what POC have historically dealt with.

There's no such thing as 'acceptable racism'. This sounds very much like you accept gammon is indeed not racist. Nice try though.

@TheWichitaWineOne

Really? Because judging by this comment "I can see several POV and I haven't crystalized mine yet" I think you really do...

Yeah, I should just adopt Smallgoon's view. Thanks, but no thanks.

Or you could just be an apologist.

@Viviennemary

Democracy won.

Priceless. One of the funniest responses, EVER.

Or you could just be an apologist

What in God's name are you even talking about? Actually, it doesn't matter. We have nothing to offer each other here.

Some people will get rich from Brexit. But many many more will be poorer. We can all guess who will be in each category.

THERE ISNT ANY! We're fucked!