To want to know a benefit of brexit?

[Dishwashersaurous]

I know that brexit has been done to death. But as we crash into a no deal and inevitable queues at the border my children are asking what is the benefit of brexit.

Could someone please tell me a tangible benefit that I can tell them- as I am struggling to think of anything

@ParlezVousWronglais

Point 3 is total rubbish. The European Court of Human Rights is absolutely nothing to do with the EU. In fact it was set up post WW2 and very much British influenced.

And those that moan about it probably don't realise the massive benefits to citizens of this country it has delivered when our politicians or institutions have ridden rough shod over their rights. Ask the victims of John Worboys, or the families of those that died at Hillsborough. Pretty sure they would champion the rulings form the ECHR that meant that justice was (belatedly) served

@HerFlowersToLove
Ok, didn't know them, as I said, I don't work in medical.
But it begs the question: wouldn't it have been better to solve that specific problem?

Their country making their own decisions on everything. Sounds normal to me.

At a guess, I would imagine the only country which makes its own decisions on everything is North Korea. Most others are bound by various international treaties.

My point is there are hundreds of countries outside of Europe who manage quite well indeed. Some exceptionally well.

@Girlyracer

I wonder if there is someone on MN who doesn't live in Europe, so in an autonomous country, who can come and tell us the benefits of where they live. Their country making their own decisions on everything. Sounds normal to me.

The rest of the world manage.

But that wouldn't be a fair comparison. You would need someone who lives in a country that has been part of a bigger organization/bloc, but has left and see what they say about how things changed. Saying that the rest of the world manages is a bit farcical, as they had centuries (most) or decades to negotiate trade deals, they have allies,... We don't have those. 4 years have been wasted on nothing.

I think that even brexit could have been set up to have at least some chance. But not by this bunch, and not on the ideology of imperialism that will magically kick in and the whole world will be begging UK to have a trade deal that is really only beneficial to the UK but not the other party.

And some aspects even then would hurt a lot - FOM, food standards, ...

@Girlyracer
Could you name one country who has started from absolute ZERO in the past 5 years and is now managing well or exceptionally well?

@LeaveMyDamnJam we do make some of our own laws. I even participated in making this happen in a previous career. But we also have to take on new law and regulations from the EU, around 50% of new laws/regs were from the EU. I can see the benefit of not having to adopt EU wide laws.

The obstinate remainers are doing the cause no favours. It comes across as arrogance and it’s exactly why brexiters would still vote that way. It is utter ignorance to not be able to think of any benefits. And worse when real benefits have been mentioned, to state no one has thought of any.

I voted remain but accept the result. I can see why people voted to leave. The EU had the opportunity to renegotiate the relationship but refused. David Cameron was desperate to do so to avoid leaving. The EU isn’t ideal and has massively overstepped its initial remit. Huge mission creep.

I can see the benefit of not having to adopt EU wide laws

Well yes. Rees-Mogg and his acolytes are positively salivating at the prospect. Which can only mean very good things for the little people, obviously.

@Shastabeast
I don't agree on the arrogance of remainers part.
And I think that if the vote was based on facts, knowledge and understanding it would be palatable even if I personally think it is the most suicidal thing a country in Europe can do.
But to live with the fact that a lot of rights, freedoms and standards are going to be thrown away because some people blatantly lied* (think bus or we set our own VAT) and ~52% of voters fell for obvious stupidity makes it hard to believe that we are still going through with it.

Could you spell it out for me what is the real benefit to the whole country?

The only real benefit was medical recruitment. But A)that could have been dealt with differently if really wanted. B)In the big picture it's less than a drop in the ocean.

*and they did so solely for their own personal benefit, be it financial or psychiatric doesn't help.

Which was what you were getting at all along..you just wanted loads of people jumping on your confirmation bias train...

Just go to the Brexit Section, lots of pros and cons.

I was looking at what new countries formed since 1990 apart from ussr and yugoslavia breakups. It turn out that Yemen was formed in the past 30 years by joining of the 2 parts. And for almost a decade or more it is place to the world's worst humanitarian crisis in this century.
But despite that they have a place in the UN. oh, the irony.

think bus

It’s got nothing to do with the bus.

People do not want politicians they didn’t and couldn’t vote for making laws in this country. Simple as that in many cases.

@Dishwashersaurous

I know that brexit has been done to death. But as we crash into a no deal and inevitable queues at the border my children are asking what is the benefit of brexit.

Could someone please tell me a tangible benefit that I can tell them- as I am struggling to think of anything

As if your kids have asked..'mummy, please tell us the benefits of brexit and why those plebs in shitty areas voted to leave the EU..'

I voted to leave, and my reasons are entirely linked to my previous job in finance, where I worked for many years, dealing with capital funds handed to local authorities from central government. A very real gravy train of mismanaged funds all under the guise of 'twinning...and EU educational visits...and information sharing between EU countries'. It sickened me then, and I'm very glad it's coming to an end. You honestly would not believe some of the things I was asked to sign off on. An official from Kaiserslauten simply must come to Newham to speak about addressing poverty in both these towns, and that 20 minute speech is accompanied by an entourage of 20, all in first class London hotels, cabs everywhere, all top restaurants booked and paid for, trips to theatres and sporting events. £300 a day for spending, on top of the salary. Business class flights. Every whim catered for. It was often, and hushed, and Tony Blair continues to be a great beneficiary.

The only people who really want to remain are blinkered people living in nice houses with their comfortable left leaning politics and no idea what the EU is really all about...cohesion it certainly isn't.

No benefit. English nation were duped by Nigel Savage etc. For a 'supposedly' intelligent nation, it's quite shocking how
people let this happen. Hmmm let's see how this pans out. Of course other nations now also affected ie Ireland. Especially Ireland and trade relations. How many more times will the UK fck over their nearest counterparts.

@ParlezVousWronglais

think bus

It’s got nothing to do with the bus.

People do not want politicians they didn’t and couldn’t vote for making laws in this country. Simple as that in many cases.

That is rich coming from people who have no problem with the House of Lords. Un-elected, some are imigrants who have lived here long enough to have british citizenship. But by brexiteer standards they are not proper brits I would think. Let's try that again.

@ClaireP20
Could you "show your working"?
How is depriving every single brit kid of potentially going on an Erasmus program, or any scholarship, to study wherever they want a logical next step to gov related overspending?
Or how is limiting the work options of many brits a logical conclusion to what you described?

On the other side: Brexit was really needed to put a stop to what you described! Now the UK pocket lining money goes to UK citizens! Well done! (I'm thinking TTR, PPE scandals, Deloitte, friends and family and neighbors.... )

The only people who really want to remain are blinkered people living in nice houses with their comfortable left leaning politics and no idea what the EU is really all about

Not true, of course.

In a previous career, I spent nigh on 20 years working closely with, and navigating/using/advising on many EU regulations, and saw first hand the impact they had here.

I'm not denying the existence of a gravy train (although, frankly, politicians?) but the EU has raised and protected standards across the board in this country to an extent that many people are so used to, that it's part of the invisible fabric of the UK.

When it's not anymore, and we start to see the consequences of a Tory government in a deregulated society, people might start to understand the role the EU has played in our basic living standards, over the last 30 years in particular.

In mid 2000's in Hungary I did years of EU funding applications and related system designs. (Not for the current governing party)
As a result Hungary had an e-municipality system; redesigned, modernized 2 europe wide renown universities to bring them into the 20th century and many others. There would have not been enough funds and/or knowledge within the country to do that.

Listen in on researchers chatting about what the future potentially holds for them without EU grants and not being able to access the vast knowledge network.
Throw away all this because politicians are twats?

@ReadyFreddy
Okay, I get that reasoning. I think it's short sighted and stupid, but at least there is a tiny bit of rationality behind it.

What is disgusting that certain groups exploited these people and fed them lies.

@motorcyclenumptiness

The end of European arrest warrants, data access, and full Europol participation and co-operation on security are all benefits if you're a criminal

The European Arrest Warrant has no concept of due process. It's a human rights nightmare.

So many posters are banging on about how the Tories will be "removing all standards and rights" yet the UK's standards far exceed the EU's minimum. If that were really what was planned, wouldn't they have already done so?

@ReadyFreddy
That is a very eloquent reasoning. We had similar debates regularly with a group of friends to challenge each other's belief systems. (no, we weren't this moral high ground group or anything, but it was a good excuse to get drunk :) )

I don't have a better solution than democracy, but given what you have said and all the surroundings it is quite obvious that general population en mass are not capable of making rational society wide decision.

@DdraigGoch
examples please. no, really, I am not a lawyer or standards specialist so have no idea if you are right or wrong