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to feel so very unnerved by Britney’s Instagram?

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Lesserspottedmama · 05/12/2020 18:19

Just that. I rarely use Instagram but found myself scrolling Britney Spears account today. It’s incredibly unnerving. She is clearly very very unwell. I found some of her videos disturbing and hard to watch.

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Bluntness100 · 06/12/2020 21:43

Dementia is just an umbrella term for a syndrome that causes declining brain function, which results in a number of issues, loss of thinking ability, memory, language skills and problem solving, amongst many others.

I think some people don’t understand there are many types of dementia and some that impact very, very young children sadly.

The fact the court document said dementia tells very little other than Britney is suffering from a syndrome that has resulted in her having a continually declining brain function that is non recoverable,. The details of what and how it impacts her are sealed and private.

Esse321 · 06/12/2020 21:46

Her son did an Instagram story where he said she wasn't being controlled, his grandfather was a jerk and he'd tell the whole story if he got to 5000 followers :-(

The thing is, she was very young and had just had a baby when she had a breakdown, ever since then she has had this power of attorney / guardianship, being medicated and telling her she wasn't well and had to be medicated and 'looked after' - maybe it became a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy, on the other hand she has accidentally started serious fires with candles three times. I don't know - I saw the interviews with her on Loose Women / Jonathan Ross and Alan Carr three yers ago and she seemed fine to me.

Jenasaurus · 06/12/2020 22:30

There is one image on her Instagram of her with her boyfriend, she is wearing sunglasses and has a gap in her front teeth, I looked at other photos of Britney and none of them show a gap in her teeth. She has no tattoos ether, just seems weird, could it not be her in the videos, Also some of the images she is wearing the same outfit over and over again, some pictures are identical but claiming they were taken on different dates. It just doesnt make sense.

TatianaBis · 06/12/2020 22:47

The fact the court document said dementia tells very little other than Britney is suffering from a syndrome that has resulted in her having a continually declining brain function that is non recoverable,. The details of what and how it impacts her are sealed and private

It tells us nothing of the sort. Some dementias are reversible. Eg dementia caused by drug or alcohol abuse, medication side effective, drug interactions, overdose, brain injury, brain tumour, diabetes, carbon monoxide poisoning, infection, hormone disorder etc.

Degenerative dementia would be very rare in someone that young.

user1481840227 · 06/12/2020 23:12

Because it takes a court order to place them. When they are on the streets its extremely hard to get that court order. For them to get that court order they would have to be in immediate danger of causing harm to themselves or others. Until that time they are free to make their own decisions including their mental health decisions. With not illegal to be homeless so the goverment just can't round them all up, arrest them and submit to treatment

But what of those who aren't homeless? It seems some of those have been left to fend for themselves also and it's not because they haven't been made known to the system!

The article also mentioned how some states could go for conservatorship of individuals once they were placed under involuntary psychiatric hold EIGHT times in a year.

Yet It seems that once Britney had the breakdown in 2007 that she hasn't had a chance to live a normal life since then or any chance to prove that she is capable of running her own life.

TatianaBis · 06/12/2020 23:14

‘Declining function‘ is specific to true dementia - ie age related dementia that everyone is familiar with. It doesn’t apply to the reversible types of dementia - which to be precise resemble dementia - those involve loss of cognitive function that can be recoverable.

FestiveChristmasLights · 06/12/2020 23:24

@TatianaBis

The fact the court document said dementia tells very little other than Britney is suffering from a syndrome that has resulted in her having a continually declining brain function that is non recoverable,. The details of what and how it impacts her are sealed and private

It tells us nothing of the sort. Some dementias are reversible. Eg dementia caused by drug or alcohol abuse, medication side effective, drug interactions, overdose, brain injury, brain tumour, diabetes, carbon monoxide poisoning, infection, hormone disorder etc.

Degenerative dementia would be very rare in someone that young.

It seems strange a court would grant a lifelong conservatorship for a reversible form of dementia. Likewise, many people have bipolar and have full capacity and control over their lives so it seems likely there is more to it than bipolar. It’s very likely Britney has bipolar, which she has said on several occasions, and something else. It also seems very likely that she is currently as well as she is ever likely be.

Childhood dementia onset can be birth until 30 years plus and it’s primary case is genetic. Sadly there are over a dozen types of childhood dementia but people don’t make a recovery.

TatianaBis · 06/12/2020 23:28

It would be strange. But the whole thing is very strange.

We can’t make assumptions from a document that showed up on Reddit just saying ‘dementia’ which is not a specific diagnosis.

TatianaBis · 06/12/2020 23:44

If she had some kind of NCL disorder (ie child onset) you’d think it would just say so.

FestiveChristmasLights · 06/12/2020 23:57

@TatianaBis

If she had some kind of NCL disorder (ie child onset) you’d think it would just say so.
So far pretty much everything to do with her medical history is either sealed or redacted and understandably so. We can only feel confident saying Britney has bipolar because she has said that on a number of occasions but maybe that’s what she is comfortable revealing or perhaps she doesn’t know the extent of what is wrong with her. Whatever is wrong with her, I’m sure we can all understand someone wanting to keep things private and their parents/family also wanting this.
TatianaBis · 07/12/2020 00:12

Who’s we. No-one here can be ‘confident’ about any aspect of this case.

If she says she has BPD she may just have bipolar. Or she may have something else. The document that appeared on Reddit may be fake etc.

user1481840227 · 07/12/2020 00:13

Is it true that she admitted that she bipolar disorder?
The only quote that I saw about it was “I have always been kind of shy, since I was a little girl. It’s who I am to be modest, so I really can’t help it. It’s almost like it’s my alter ego when I get on stage… I turn into this different person, seriously. Bipolar disorder,”

So that sounds like it wasn't necessarily an admission that she suffered from bipolar, more like she was talking about the extreme difference between herself as a person and her stage persona..her alter ego. It didn't sound like she was talking about her mental health at all!

TatianaBis · 07/12/2020 00:25

Is it true that she admitted that she bipolar disorder?

No idea.

user1481840227 · 07/12/2020 00:49

@TatianaBis
I should have quoted the poster above me when I asked that question as they said We can only feel confident saying Britney has bipolar because she has said that on a number of occasions but maybe that’s what she is comfortable revealing or perhaps she doesn’t know the extent of what is wrong with her.

I can't see anything about it on the internet apart from what she said about her alter ego!

Bluntness100 · 07/12/2020 06:51

Her own lawyers have stated it is not reversible, that’s why she’s basically in a life long conservetoire, and folks need to remember Britney is not disputing the need for it, nor is she arguing she doesn’t want it, she is agreeing to it.

What she’s arguing is she doesn’t wish her father to do it. She wants her care manager to. One would need to assume her care manager is neither qualified to do the job nor does she wish it. She has a full time job already, and managing britneys conservetoire involves a lot of different elements, from financial on.

I really don’t understand this hysteria folks have implying she’s not ill or doesn’t need it, it’s beyond batshit, she’s clearly very unwell and placed under this for her own benefit.

Is it not bad enough ghat a young woman is so ill she needs this level of life long support, that folks need to pretend it must be even worse? You only need to look at her videos or hear her talk and you know she’s ill. She’s like a child.

And she’s not the only young adult who needs support for the rest of her life due to irreversible mental health syndromes. It is not as rare as peoooe are trying to make out.

It seems unless the family come out and reveal a full diagnosis ans breach her entitlement to privacy, then some folks will scratch in the gutter trying to find a heinous conspiracy and throw the accusations round, when there is nothing to indicate this is anything other than what it says on the tin.

Seriously. 911 on her eye lashes? Images of the Illuminati? Slave Labour that the judge and doctors are too stupid to recognise? It’s so cringe.

Tippexy · 07/12/2020 07:39

@user1481840227

Is it true that she admitted that she bipolar disorder? The only quote that I saw about it was “I have always been kind of shy, since I was a little girl. It’s who I am to be modest, so I really can’t help it. It’s almost like it’s my alter ego when I get on stage… I turn into this different person, seriously. Bipolar disorder,”

So that sounds like it wasn't necessarily an admission that she suffered from bipolar, more like she was talking about the extreme difference between herself as a person and her stage persona..her alter ego. It didn't sound like she was talking about her mental health at all!

Yes, you are quite right. She has never discussed it as an actual diagnosis!
HeadPain · 07/12/2020 07:54

"Lots of American celebs speak 'childlike' e.g. Paris Hilton, Pamela Anderson."

I remember when Britney did not speak like this. She used to speak normally.

HeadPain · 07/12/2020 07:56

I've been watching old videos

Bluntness100 · 07/12/2020 08:16

@HeadPain

"Lots of American celebs speak 'childlike' e.g. Paris Hilton, Pamela Anderson."

I remember when Britney did not speak like this. She used to speak normally.

Yes, and with people like Pamela or Paris, it’s just tone.

Britney speaks very quickly, almost manically, and the whole sense is child like, the wording, the subject matter, everything, it’s very very different to people like Pamela or Paris who have a more “girly “ tone, but will discuss serious issues. The two are not remotely similar.

And no she didn’t used to talk like this.

Sunshiney1981 · 07/12/2020 08:30

There is one image on her Instagram of her with her boyfriend, she is wearing sunglasses and has a gap in her front teeth, I looked at other photos of Britney and none of them show a gap in her teeth. She has no tattoos ether, just seems weird, could it not be her in the videos, Also some of the images she is wearing the same outfit over and over again, some pictures are identical but claiming they were taken on different dates. It just doesnt make sense

I thought this! I’m not sure it’s really her.
Not to take away from the problems she obviously has but there’s something very fishy about that Instagram account.

FamilyOfAliens · 07/12/2020 08:31

I’m shocked that you don’t think it’s a big deal that a grown man would shake a child in anger, @Bluntness100, and that because a court decided it was ok for him to do that, there was no case to answer.

You can keep posting about how everyone on this thread who disagrees with you is “hysterical”, but you’re not coming across at all well yourself.

TatianaBis · 07/12/2020 08:52

I find the Illuminati stuff cringe I also find the naive faith the medico-legal system cringe. It can be draconian.

No-one is trying to make it worse than it is, they’re just trying to figure out what it is.

To have an adult variant NCL disorder (childhood dementia) - which is neurodegenerative - you’d typically see co-ordination problems, seizures/epilepsy, tremors and tics, speech problems as well as dementia. Ok, with one type you don’t get epilepsy and movement problems. But in both death is around 15 years after diagnosis. 2008 was 12 years ago, so she’s got 3 years left.

If she had young onset dementia of the type seen in older people 65+ then 27 would be an extraordinary age to get it. Usually it’s 30-65. And in younger dementia you’d expect to see movement and balance problems and quicker progression than older people. Life expectancy is usually around 8 years, but it could be up to 18 years.

TatianaBis · 07/12/2020 09:02

Britney speaks very quickly, almost manically

Which is not typical of dementia. Speech is typically disjointed, there’s a struggle to find words, loss of train of thought.

TatianaBis · 07/12/2020 09:05

My dad and aunt have dementia. Both have ‘mixed’ dementia - vascular and Alzheimer’s. Britney shows none of the typical symptoms.

Bluntness100 · 07/12/2020 09:17

@TatianaBis

My dad and aunt have dementia. Both have ‘mixed’ dementia - vascular and Alzheimer’s. Britney shows none of the typical symptoms.
I’m not sure how it’s relevant what your dad and aunt have, you do know there are many , many different syndromes that fall under the umbrella heading of dementia and that there is no such thing as typical speech patterns across that range of syndromes?

Sorry I’m struggling to understand your comment?

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