to feel so very unnerved by Britney’s Instagram?

[Lesserspottedmama]

Just that. I rarely use Instagram but found myself scrolling Britney Spears account today. It’s incredibly unnerving. She is clearly very very unwell. I found some of her videos disturbing and hard to watch.

@GlowingOrb

I’m just surprised the court is keeping her father in charge. The incident with her children should have been enough to remove him.

I also can’t imagine a proper guardian would be having her keep performing. It’s not just the getting up on stage. It’s following the diet and exercise regime. This is a woman who has enough money to retire and maybe live a simpler life. Yes, she might have to move to a smaller house and reduce the staff, but she would still live on luxury. She could be engaging in any number of hobbies or pursuits and following a reasonably healthy diet and exercise lifestyle. She should be living a life where her priorities are her mental health and being the best parent she can. Her priority should not be staying young and hot so she can keep getting up on stage. A decent guardian would not be negotiating and signing contracts to keep her performing.

She might have wanted to continue performing. We just don’t know. People seem very keen to sit in their armchairs and dictate control over what she should or should not be doing without knowing what is wrong with her and what her limitations are. The courts and her father know; the courts and her father repeatedly have hearings and have professionals in to assess what’s going on.

The fact her hearings are held in a probate court means it’s probable that the reason for the conservatorship comes under their jurisdiction rather than the mental health court. That would fit in with the initial court documents stating dementia.

Wow I've just fallen down the hole that is her Instagram ! I agree the posts are odd but to all the posters saying she's not allowed to do anything I am seeing her on holiday at the moment? I clicked onto the boyfriends Instagram to and his stories are on holiday this morning. I assume he is the boyfriend?

Im thinking about the future and earning- presumably she cant sign any contracts or make commitments so its up to him. it not as simple saying 'he only picks up a relatively small wage'.

Her lawyer and Brother have said she doesnt want to perform anymore and again I have no reason to disbelieve that.

That would fit in with the initial court documents stating dementia.

I’m not sure how the court documents could ‘state’ dementia. Dementia is not a disease, it’s a set of symptoms with different causes. All I have seen is that it is recorded that her father claims she has dementia. Whic sounds more like a lay rendering of a medical diagnosis/es.

@user1471565182

Her lawyer and Brother have said she doesnt want to perform anymore and again I have no reason to disbelieve that.

I don’t have any reason to disbelieve it either and she isn’t performing anymore so that backs up the view that she does still get to have plenty of say about her life, it’s just she cannot make decisions that could have a detrimental impact. Surely it’s a good thing since when you compare how her life was in the preceding year before the conservatorship was agreed, she is in such a better place.

@TatianaBis

That would fit in with the initial court documents stating dementia.

I’m not sure how the court documents could ‘state’ dementia. Dementia is not a disease, it’s a set of symptoms with different causes. All I have seen is that it is recorded that her father claims she has dementia. Whic sounds more like a lay rendering of a medical diagnosis/es.

Regardless of her medical diagnoses, and I’ve already said above dementia seems unlikely, the court documents requesting a conservatorship do state dementia. I didn’t at any stage say this statement was deemed correct because those papers are sealed.

Too small to read.

Her voice and manner of speaking is so childlike ... has it always been like that?

Well she was in Maui with him back in November, she has a personal trainer coming in. I think the problem is that is clearly on a very heavy regime of meds and you can't hide that. Some of the videos look like she's maybe just taken them when they're at they're strongest. She clearly exercises prolifically and enjoys doing so. I think she wants rid of her Dad though, at the last court case she asked that the woman who was temporarily in charge while I Dad was ill he allowed to take over but that was refused. It's obviously not ideal but that's serious mental illness isn't it, it's a struggle. Her Dad needs to bow out though and let someone else take over, she clearly wants him gone and must be able to have some autonomy over her own affairs no matter how ill she is.

The woman temp in charge was her medical care manager. The court have deemed her father is best placed. And I very much doubt her medical care manager wants the gig to be honest.

All I have seen is that it is recorded that her father claims she has dementia

Her father has claimed no such thing, he has kept resolutely silent on his daughters conditions. The court documents stated dementia.

'An early-day conservatorship document shows the pop star's father, Jamie Spears, claimed Britney had dementia at the time of filing in 2008'

theblast.com/129394/britney-spears-uncovered-court-document-shows-dad-claiming-she-h

[quote user1471565182]'An early-day conservatorship document shows the pop star's father, Jamie Spears, claimed Britney had dementia at the time of filing in 2008'

theblast.com/129394/britney-spears-uncovered-court-document-shows-dad-claiming-she-h[/quote]
Yes to the court. Not to the public and it is not his claim, it’s backed up by a shit ton of independent doctors

You don’t really think he waltzes in and says she’s dementia mate can you give me control. And the judge says, oh aye, has she, well you’re her dad. Here you go, full control.

Seriously?

You’re so desperate to hurl heinous accusations at this man insinuating he is abusing his daughter, when in reality this is very likely a man dealing with a mentally disabled adult child. And the court and doctors support this, but still you persevere.

Is it becayse she’s famous ? Or is it anyone with an adult child who is mentally ill?

The extract doing the rounds seems to have been first posted on Reddit, so I have no great expectation for its validity. But to take it at face value, here is the full text:

The February 2008 form requests that Mr. Spears would be appointed as Britney's conservator in "orders related to dementia placement or treatment in the Attachment Requesting Special Orders Regarding Dementia (form GC-313 under Probate Code section 2356.5 be granted."

Underneath the header "DEMENTIA POWERS," the aforementioned "Probate Code Section 2356.5 allows conservators to request particularly strong powers if the conservative allegedly suffers from dementia. If the conservatee has a dementia-related illness, the conservator may be empowered to place the conservatee in a locked-door institution and to authorize the administration of medications 'appropriate to the care of dementia.'"

It simply notes that Mr Spears has requested conservatorship on the basis of dementia. And then lists powers that would grant him.

It gives no clue as to what may have caused the dementia.

But dementia is not a mental illness. Symptoms - include confusion, memory loss, impaired judgement, personality changes. It can be temporary, permanent, degenerative. It can be caused by brain damage, drug side effects, drug interaction, dehydration and degenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s.

You dont know what you're talking about Bluntness. Twice you've just guessed at details and got it totally wrong. Not interested.

Which Doctors have confirmed the claim she has dementia? It should be easily solved if we find out

And your concern for the reputation of a woman and child beater is touching

@user1471565182

You dont know what you're talking about Bluntness. Twice you've just guessed at details and got it totally wrong. Not interested.

No I haven’t. Look I get the best form of defense is attack but it’s not working in this instance.

The bottom line is these are parents in a very very difficult situation. The facts are few but not contested. Britney is not capable mentally, the independent doctors and courts have confirmed this, and her parents are protecting her, ans that, for anyone with a child with disabilities, is hard, never mind when your adult child is world famous.

And any parent who is managing a child with disabilities has my full admiration and respect. They don’t deserve to have heinous accusations thrown at them, and no one is entitled to know exactly what’s wrong with her, she is entitled to her privacy, and her parents do right in granting her that.

No one knows what's 'wrong' with her, and rightly so. It's her private medical information.

As someone else said dementia is a set of symptoms with various causes. Alzheimer's can cause dementia, genetics can cause dementia, drug abuse and alcoholism can cause dementia. There are other mental illnesses, various, that can cause dementia.

So it seems she has dementia because it's set out on the court paperwork. But we don't know whether that's because of another illness, or what. And not should we. Her family have never confirmed anything, other that what is in the public records of the court.

Her father is a proven abusive man. Her son has a restraining order against him after the 'shaking' incident. Her parents are on record confirming that he was physical with her mother when the children were small. He's a well known alcoholic and substance abuser although it is said he's been clean/sober for years. Who knows though.

I don't doubt her family must struggle with this, it must be extremely difficult having a child with an illness like this. Whether her father is the right person to be overseeing (or her mother, as she's previously said she enables her daughter and just wants her to like her) is another matter.

So it seems she has dementia because it's set out on the court paperwork

One can’t even say that as the ‘document‘ appears to have been posted on Reddit. And all the ‘document’ reveals is that Mr Spears applied for conservatorship on the basis of dementia. Anything beyond that is assumption.

Yes to the court. Not to the public and it is not his claim, it’s backed up by a shit ton of independent doctors

Any links to reports discussing this point about the 'shit ton of independent doctors'? No offence @Bluntness100 but I've not seen anyone else mention it.

Absolutely nothing has been said anywhere about these supposed shit ton of drs on the case? who are there? there was one dr dealing with her referred to alongside her case but he died last year. Britney and her mother wanted the complete medical details released but they havnt been. The only person whos said its dementia is her father (who is the person it directly benefits). She would be the youngest victim of dementia by around 10 years. Britney has said she has Bi Polar disorder.

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