to feel so very unnerved by Britney’s Instagram?

[Lesserspottedmama]

Just that. I rarely use Instagram but found myself scrolling Britney Spears account today. It’s incredibly unnerving. She is clearly very very unwell. I found some of her videos disturbing and hard to watch.

@SebastianTheCrab

Am I the only one that assumed her breakdown, psychiatric hold and subsequent problems were caused by drug use?

I assumed, initially at least, it was postpartum psychosis with underlying bipolar (possibly aggravated by drugs or refusal/lack of medication to control).

Her face and expressions looks really bizarre. She's an attractive woman no doubt, but some very odd facial contortions are displayed and she looks wild eyed. It's quite sad to see how she's declined from her early career when she looked amazing. Everyone ages, her decline isn't linked to that, it's how unhinged she looks.

• I agree with you that dementia seems incredibly unlikely at her age. Frontotemporal dementia is very rare and tends to affect younger people but Britney would have been possibly the youngest on record to suffer, which again adds to the belief that she probably doesn’t have it. However, a judge has granted a lifelong conservatorship and it has been reviewed on several occasions (not sure if the same judge or not) along with a variety of doctors being involved in Britney’s care which means multiple people who are qualified to assess such things must believe that the conservatorship is in her best interests. It’s likely that her house is effectively a care home for one where she receives a high level of care and medication.

Dementia can cause people to neglect their personal appearance, behave inappropriately, language problems, mental problems etc. Frontotemporal dementia tends to cause memory loss at a much later stage, unlike Alzheimer’s. As an outsider, I can see many similarities between the behaviour the media/social media has documented of Britney and dementia so maybe in the early stage it was put forward as a possibility because she has so many traits and there is no single test to confirm. It’s also genetic so perhaps there is a family history that made it likely. It seems strange given her age if she was formally diagnosed back in 2008 but if she does have dementia that could also be the genuine reason why she is no longer performing*

Yes that’s what rhe original court documentation stated. Everything else is sealed though and the level of secrecy round it is huge, which will be in her interests,

Only certain things are one hundred percent known, and that is the court at every review has a crack team of independent doctors extensively assess Britney in advance, ans submit their reports. And that’s what the decisions are based on. So whatever is wrong, an independent team of doctors deem this in Britneys best interests. And no random has the knowledge base to question that. It is also beyond unlikely that every single doctor involved over the last however many years is corrupt and lying, as are the judges.

So it’s pretty much a given that Britney is unable to function sufficiently as to not be a danger to herself if allowed decision making control. She is also, by nature of her fame and wealth, much more at risk of predators than your average person.

It is also one hundred percent known she lived with her care manager and a team of carers. Her home is a private nursing home, where she lives in luxury and is cared for 24/7 by medical professionals.

It is also known, the decisions her father has taken are reviewed by the court every time the conservatoire is reviewed. And the court has deemed rhe decisins taken were correct and in her best interests

The conspiracy theories, albeit juicy are simoly nonsense. This is what it says on the tin, an very ill woman, unable to intellectually or emotionally function fully, who is being protected and cared for in her best interests. Even if it doesn’t satisfy the ghouls hoping for something juicer.

@CardoMondo

I don’t believe she’s posting on Instagram at all. I believe it’s someone else posting on her behalf to stop people asking questions. The whole thing is very weird. If you notice she wears the same 2/3 outfits in every post suggesting that a lot of the photos etc are taken in one session and posted weeks/months apart. Very odd.

Also, if you scroll back, you can notice some linguistic differences between her current and old posts. For example, recent posts have a gap before exclamation marks like this !!!

However, look a couple of years ago and that wasn’t the case, no gaps before the exclamation marks. Forensic linguistics will say that such styles are specific to a person and are very unlikely to be changed once established.

Her pictures are so poor looking? Like taken with a rubbish camera, they look blurry. Like as though it was a video been paused and taken as screen shot. The pic of his hand kind of around her neck, is blurry, his hand is blurry, his hand was moving when the pic was taken or was taken for a moving video, his hand looks like it was going towards her face , like about to hold her face. Not strangle

@Defenbaker

I looked at the linked photo and thought she'd aged quite a lot since I'd last seen her in a music video, but then I realised that her biggest hits were about 25 years ago, so of course she's going to look much older. I think she was about 16 when Hit Me Baby One More Time came out, so she must be in her 40s now and there is a bit of sun damage to her skin, which is understandable. I didn't watch any of the vids but if she's on a cocktail of drugs I don't want to view her going down the same route as Amy Winehouse - car crash in slow motion springs to mind. It's a real shame what too much, too soon (of fame, money, drugs... anything) can do to people.

She’s not 40 yet. Her first hit single was in 1999 when she was 17.

However, look a couple of years ago and that wasn’t the case, no gaps before the exclamation marks. Forensic linguistics will say that such styles are specific to a person and are very unlikely to be changed once established

Unless of course she has a degenerative illness, which is highly likely. Then her style would change.

Isn't the judge due to review again this month or next.

Paris Hilton said she had dinner with her this summer and seemed fine but Paris thought it was sad she didn't have control over anything.

But if she has bi-polar (which can include periods of psychosis) it probably is safer that she's looked after, during her unwell periods, I think it was triggered in my relative after giving birth. But what about when Britney is stable and well? shouldn't she be able to manage her own affairs when well enough and if she was well enough in the past to be an X-factor judge / perform....

All those saying things like “she looks wild-eyed” and “she looks deranged” and “there’s videos of her twirling round and talking really manically”.... she is widely known to have bipolar disorder. These are classic signs of mania and I’m not sure why people are surprised/shocked/feel the need to comment on & describe what they are seeing.

Yes, she is unwell. No need to luridly give blow by blow accounts of what that looks like to you. As a woman of similar age to Britney and who also has bipolar disorder, my blood runs cold to think if I was famous I’d have thousands of strangers discussing the minutiae of how ludicrous/unwell/damaged I appear when I’m unwell. Once you’ve recovered from the mania life is hard enough to piece back together (full of shame and regret) without thinking a million strangers have been pointing out every “wild-eyed” look or “manic rant” you’ve been experiencing.

I’m aware Britney herself puts this stuff out there, but when unwell it’s questionable as to whether she has full capacity to be making the decisions around how she is presenting herself. What people like me with bipolar REALLY don’t need are onlookers pointing out the really obvious by saying things like “wow look how smudged her make up is” and “look how wild-eyed she is” like that’s some sort of mystery.

I know most people here will say it comes from a place of concern for her, but to me it feels slightly like voyeurism and/or ignorance around what it’s like to live with bipolar disorder.

But what about when Britney is stable and well

From what’s been said the fundamental issue is she lacks the mental capacity due to whatever condition she has, her lawyer described asking Britney to sign a court document as no different to asking a coma patient. The lack of capacity is life long and will never be recoverable.

People can speculate all day long what’s wrong with her, and it looks like multiple disorders, but no one can get round the fact multiple independent court appointed doctors, and the top in their field, for well over a decade, have consistently and extensively assessed her and their recommendation to the court is the conservatoire is absolutely required.

No one can also get round the fact the way her father has managed her, is hugely examined and held to account by the court, and this is also deemed to have been both appropriate and in her best interests.

The woman Britney wants to take over is her care manager. The woman overseas britneys medical care, and the team of medical professionals and carers who live with her and care for her.

However we need to remember that Britney without one shadow of a doubt, in the medical experts views, lacks any capacity to make that decision, or understand the implications of that decision, or any other decisions made for her. This is why the court continues to order in her interests after submission of all independent reviews ans assessments and not based on what she herself wishes.

It’s terribly sad, and I assume one day the world will know what conditions she has, but right now it’s no ones business and her family are right not to tell the world.

If it was my daughter, like fuck would I announce it.

Am with you 100% Bluntness

I think it’s also fair to say that Britney does not contest the conservatorship and that, along with the vast sums in her bank accounts, show its working. She appears to get a say in what she does to some extent but she cannot be financially vulnerable to outside influence now or get drunk and married for 55 hours again.

That’s the thing though. If it was your child. God forbid, and you ended up in this horrific situation where she has become world famous and suffers mental health/brain disorders/conditions that make her unable to function adequately. You’d do exactly what her parents are doing. You’d protect her. Make sure she’s got all the care she requires and the best care money can buy, you’d make sure it was set up to make decisions in her interests and over see it, and you’d not share her private medical info with the world. No matter how much pressure people put on you.

The pressure her parents must be under is inhumane. Their every motive questioned, vile insults hurled at them that they lock her up, steal her money, that it is slave Labour.

People shouting free Britney, a woman unable to function enough to protect herself. A woman who requires round the clock care. A woman with conditions that she can never recover from. Yes that’s right. Let’s throw her out there, remove that protection, then get the popcorn out as we watch the harm that comes to her.

Not only are her parents dealing with a mentally disabled adult child. Which in a normal situation would be hard enough, they are doing so in the glare of the media spotlight, trying to protect her, and taking significant abuse for it.

Of course she’s not being locked up and forced into slave labour, the notion is beyond ludicrous. For that to happen every single independent doctor, lawyer, and judge for over a decade would need to be in on it, and that’s simply idiotic.

People saw with their own eyes before she was moved from public gaze and protected, people saw the images, they knew of her behaviour. We all saw it. There is no surprise here. No conspiracy. It’s heinous to suggest there is.

It depends what you mean by working.

If she’s taking legal action to end her dad’s conservatorship - it’s clearly not working that well on a human level. That it’s going well financially is the least significant consideration when it comes to health and well-being.

I can’t see how releasing another single - and if she lacks capacity to make a decision she cannot have decided that for herself - is in her best interest, or is any interest other than financial.

Her Father has abused both Britney's mother and her son (and thats the ones that have been confirmed) and has had mental illnesses himself and a drinking problem. He should be anywhere near this. Hes pushed her into the limelight from the age she could practically stand up. He sues anybody who questions the financial aspects of this and continues to agrue she needs to be under his control (and thats what it is, complete control) because shes so bad yet shes ok to keep earning for him at an extremely high rate. Not just her own upkeep-shes keeping him and his staff millionaires.

And where is the nutty conspiracy theory with people wanting her wishes followed and the conservatorship swapped back to the person who held it previously?

In fairness to her father, it looks like he is the one who takes the flack because he is the one who is prepared to do what’s in Britney’s best interests and right now (and at the moment there is no reason to think it won’t continue indefinitely/forever) that means she stays under a conservatorship.

Britney’s mum is on record as saying she has been an enabler and just wants her to like her. As a parent, especially a parent to an adult with complex mental health disorders, that is not usually doing the best for them.

This covers some of the actual details well and some of the really mad stuff, including the very out there FreeBritney'ers

www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/11/the-oracle-of-britney-spears

@user1471565182

Her Father has abused both Britney's mother and her son (and thats the ones that have been confirmed) and has had mental illnesses himself and a drinking problem. He should be anywhere near this. Hes pushed her into the limelight from the age she could practically stand up. He sues anybody who questions the financial aspects of this and continues to agrue she needs to be under his control (and thats what it is, complete control) because shes so bad yet shes ok to keep earning for him at an extremely high rate. Not just her own upkeep-shes keeping him and his staff millionaires.

That’s completely unfair ans inaccurate, he doesn’t touch her money, he is paid the princely sum of 100kusd per annum, her money is invested for her and her children, she is not keeping him ans his staff millionaires, what an appalling accusation founded in yours imagination.

And you keep forgetting as you write this hate. That a court is overseeing this and many many independent individuals, from business, to legal, to doctors review this and it is deemed not only is it required, what has been done and is doing for her is in her best interests.

This sort of post is the worst example of the hysteria people try to drum up by making unfounded and clearly in factual accusations.

And theres just as many people pointing out how wrong it all is.

''The truth behind Britney Spears’s case may be stranger and sadder than any theory.

“It does strike us, in the legal profession, as strange,” says Lisa MacCarley, an estate planning and probate attorney based in California, of Spears’s conservatorship. MacCarley hasn’t worked with Spears, nor has she any connection to the ongoing conservatorship, but the case caught her attention nonetheless, and recently she’s been joining in at the rallies to show support. “Even up in Sacramento when I talk to legislators, they say, what’s going on? Nobody understands it.”

Spears’s case is being adjudicated in probate court, which typically handles the conservatorships of elderly people with cognitive disorders like Alzheimer’s or dementia, and people with severe brain injuries. In other words, people who are not likely to get out of the conservatorship. In cases of mental illness, such as bipolar disorder or episodes of psychiatric crisis, conservatorships are usually handled by mental health courts. There, a conservator must petition each year to renew the conservatorship. In the probate sector, conservatorships can go on indefinitely. Though MacCarley says she’s not exactly a fan of the pop star, her daughter, who is now 26, grew up listening to Spears. “That song ‘Lucky’? That played over and over and over in our house,” she recalled. Her interest in the case is broader. “To me, it’s just another example of the dysfunction of the Los Angeles and for that matter, Orange County, probate court,” she said. “That’s why I got involved. Because we’re seeing families being traumatized, exploited, abused by a system that is supposed to protect families and their loved ones.”

“Conservatorships are very hard to get out of—much, much harder to get out of than to get into, and that’s something many people don’t realize, even people who are seeking conservatorships,” said Zoe Brennan-Krohn, a staff attorney with the ACLU’s Disability Rights Project. After Spears’s lawyer Sam Ingham filed the paperwork opposing Jamie Spears as conservator the day before the August 19 hearing, the ACLU tweeted in support of the pop star, writing, in part, “If Britney Spears wants to regain her civil liberties and get out of her conservatorship, we are here to help her.”

There are other valid reasons to be concerned for Spears’s circumstances. In the summer of 2019, her two sons were granted a restraining order against their grandfather after Jamie Spears allegedly physically assaulted the older child.'

Its not about the wages. Its about where all the excess money goes if something happens to Britney or the hundreds of possible legal consequences, why do you think a trust has been set up?

ohhhhh but the magic sacred infallible California courts.

The trust has been set up to protect her funds, and to ensure her and her children are provided for for the rest of their lives and that no con artist can come ans steal from her, which many would given a chance, or that she wouldn’t make erroneous decisions and loose her money,

In addition that article is pouring scorn, can you really not see it. They have it in there with the out and out crazies. And the peoooe you’re quoting, the randoms, have no more insight into this case than you do. Or I do. Because it’s sealed. We only have certain facts to go on.

Which I repeat are independent doctors assess her, repeatedly and consistently, her financials are reviewed by independent accountants and business people appointed. A judge over sees it. Just because you don’t know, doesn’t change these facts. People speculating doesn’t change it,

And as cor the assault. The boy was thirteen at the time, he had an argument with his grandfather, when his grandfather got into the room he shook him, the prosecutors decided there was no case to answer.

I’m assuming you’ve never ever dealt with a struggling thirteen year old boy who kicks off badly. Sure he shouldn’t have shook him, but the authorities have said no criminal act or assault took place, so once again, stop looking for imaginary worst cases and being hysterical about it.

So the courts are beyond question with the conservatorship but were wrong to grant a restraining order on Jamie Spears? (issued by Los Angeles family court)

We get it bluntness you put your faith in the judicial system, and that’s fine.

It’s a very strange set up altogether for a mental health patient, and the difference between the probate court and the courts that deal with psychiatric cases may be the key.

I’m just surprised the court is keeping her father in charge. The incident with her children should have been enough to remove him.

I also can’t imagine a proper guardian would be having her keep performing. It’s not just the getting up on stage. It’s following the diet and exercise regime. This is a woman who has enough money to retire and maybe live a simpler life. Yes, she might have to move to a smaller house and reduce the staff, but she would still live on luxury. She could be engaging in any number of hobbies or pursuits and following a reasonably healthy diet and exercise lifestyle. She should be living a life where her priorities are her mental health and being the best parent she can. Her priority should not be staying young and hot so she can keep getting up on stage. A decent guardian would not be negotiating and signing contracts to keep her performing.