AIBU to ask your opinions on God?

[Violetduck]

Do you beleive there is a God? I would like to, but how can he exist alongside modern science?

Aibu to believe in something more?

@TellitToTheStars how does a story make it "the truth"? We certainly do not have to accept it - it's just a story, a bizarre one at that.

@TimeForDinnerDinnerDinner

HollyCarrot Tbf, that person can firmly believe that the same way someone else firmly believes in god. No evidence of either.

On what level is that the same? What a joke of an opinion.

S/he can firmly believe their wild guess that all those who follow a religious belief of whichever faith/denomination are only doing it because they're scared of dying all s/he likes. This is not a view I can respect because they'd only need to speak to a handful of believers to discover it's a BS opinion on every level.

Sorry but I haven't the faintest idea what you're on about there.

@TellitToTheStars

You do realise that the story of Adam and Eve is considered to be an allegory, right?

"Findings in population genetics, particularly those concerning Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve, indicate that a single first "Adam and Eve" pair of human beings never existed." Adam and Eve

[quote ArthursRoundTable]@TellitToTheStars

You do realise that the story of Adam and Eve is considered to be an allegory, right?

"Findings in population genetics, particularly those concerning Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve, indicate that a single first "Adam and Eve" pair of human beings never existed." Adam and Eve[/quote]
Adam and Eve were real human beings. I'm surprised at the way history can be re-written. As long as we keep denying the events in the bible were not real then how can we believe?

This is not extreme, it is what it is, unpleasant yes, but this is the truth and we have to accept that we all are born into sin because of eve

The truth according to you, simply what you believe, not a universal or proven truth at all.

We "have to accept" we are all born into sin because of eve? No we don't. You do because you believe that story. The rest of us believe genetics and pure luck give children illnesses and mean some people are born into poverty - not the sin of a fictitious person.

How very problematic that a woman happened to cause the downfall of men, eh? Bloody women. Burn the witches.

Stating something confidently as fact does not make it so.

It's offensive to people who live with the reality of illness and poverty to insinuate it is a type of punishment rather that pure circumstance.

[quote tallastrees]@TellitToTheStars how does a story make it "the truth"? We certainly do not have to accept it - it's just a story, a bizarre one at that. [/quote]
Really interesting reading wikipedia on Adam and Eve

"The woman receives penalties that impact her in two primary roles: she shall experience pangs during childbearing, pain during childbirth, and while she shall desire her husband, he will rule over her."

"The man's penalty results in God cursing the ground from which he came, and the man then receives a death oracle, although the man has not been described, in the text, as immortal."

That's just the Abrahamic Creation story. I wonder what other religions have?

@TellitToTheStars

Adam and Eve were real human beings. I'm surprised at the way history can be re-written. As long as we keep denying the events in the bible were not real then how can we believe?

Wait, you genuinely think that Adam and Eve can be proven to be two real human beings?

As for your last sentence - well quite, people like me agree that the stories in the Bible can't be proven, and in fact science can disprove many stories. therefore we don't believe.

The woman receives penalties that impact her in two primary roles: she shall experience pangs during childbearing, pain during childbirth, and while she shall desire her husband, he will rule over her.

Isn't it so uncomfortable knowing that some women are happy for this to be the way their view womankind? Punished for the pain of a fictional woman and subservient to the desires of all men. What a beautiful religion to submit to...

I kind of 'hope' in God rather than 'believe'. I say prayers every night and hope someone is listening. I hope also in a heaven of some sort,

@ArthursRoundTable...myth? And this is how we are deceived. It is sad really and yea the pangs of childbirth is evidence the story is real

I don’t think there is an omnipresent, omnipotent god figure. I think this idea of a theistic god is largely there to help people conceptualise the divine. I believe in a pantheistic divine entity which is present in everything including ourselves. It simultaneously creates and is part of the natural laws science observes and technology makes use of. Spirit and matter are all one. Unfortunately the way many people view science is very narrowly, viewed in a wider sense there is no division between god/the divine and science, one creates the other receives.

[quote TellitToTheStars]@ArthursRoundTable...myth? And this is how we are deceived. It is sad really and yea the pangs of childbirth is evidence the story is real[/quote]
This is very problematic though, because the pain of childbirth is due to physiological fact. Many animals are in pain during childbirth but that is not attributed to the evil doing of their species or refusal of their species to believe in god... you cannot say that a belief of the causation of something is evidence. It really isn't. It's perfectly fine that you believe something is caused by something else, but to call it evidence or treat it as proof is nonsensical.

@ArthursRoundTable ha that is interesting!

In ancient Egypt one of their creation stories describes the world being created through an act of masturbation, another from spit... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AncientEgyptiancreation_myths

@TellitToTheStars if you believe the bible is literally true do you also believe that Adam lived 930 years? Or that Noah lived 950 years? Because that's what it says in the Old Testament.

I do not believe in the Abrahamic god and think he sounds awful in all honesty

[quote TellitToTheStars]@ArthursRoundTable...myth? And this is how we are deceived. It is sad really and yea the pangs of childbirth is evidence the story is real[/quote]
Oh...its all a woman's fault then...yawn...bullshit

I'm fairly sure the pope and the archbishops etc knows that Adam & Eve were not real. Which is odd because without them there's no original sin. Without original sin there's no need for the crucifixion and the whole house of cards falls to the ground.

One day the churches will just have to say "look forget all the god stuff. We're a social and philosophy club"

@youvegottenminuteslynn

This is not extreme, it is what it is, unpleasant yes, but this is the truth and we have to accept that we all are born into sin because of eve

The truth according to you, simply what you believe, not a universal or proven truth at all.

We "have to accept" we are all born into sin because of eve? No we don't. You do because you believe that story. The rest of us believe genetics and pure luck give children illnesses and mean some people are born into poverty - not the sin of a fictitious person.

How very problematic that a woman happened to cause the downfall of men, eh? Bloody women. Burn the witches.

Stating something confidently as fact does not make it so.

It's offensive to people who live with the reality of illness and poverty to insinuate it is a type of punishment rather that pure circumstance.

And you assume i'm in perfect health? Wow just wow...i've had my fair share of issues.....and it gives me some comfort to know there is no suffering in the afterlife if we accept God

While we are on the topic of god. What you all think of the idea that the virus is an act of god?

Two-thirds of US believers see Covid-19 as message from God, poll finds

Is the coronavirus an act of God? Faith leaders debate tough questions amid pandemic

The story of Adam and Eve is just part one of the many creation myths. A particularly misogynistic one, unfortunately for women, as it formed the basis for what became the dominant religions. And no, we most certainly don't need to accept it, any more than we need to accept the Greek, Egyptian, Mesopotamian of any other creation myth.

TellitToTheStars "to know there is no suffering in the afterlife" Are you sure? what if you do something bad to someone else (thus making them suffer) will you not be punished even then?

And how about mental suffering? After all the man who murders someone and then accepts Jesus into his heart will be right up there next to his victim's parents. Worse his victim might have been sent to hell and the parents will never see them again, but must learn to love the one who murdered them.

Sounds like torture to me.

@TellitToTheStars

Eh? I've assumed no such thing! To people who don't believe in god, telling them that their illness is pre determined by god or is awful but will be made up for by eternity with god doesn't help them at all. Because they don't believe in him.

I'm sorry you've had difficulties too, genuinely. I have sympathy and empathy for anyone who has struggled. I just don't wish to believe in a god who would have given me (and other people) the hand I was dealt or who takes credit for how I have overcome the hand I was dealt.

Me overcoming that hand is down to my determination, my sheer luck of having some amazing people close to me and the fact that modern science means I have medication to help me stay well. I don't have to attribute those things to god because I don't believe in him.

That isn't out of anger at my lot. Far from it - it's more at the audacity of people (I'm not saying you) who attribute me getting better to a deity I don't believe in, but they say is all powerful so presumably dealt me that lot.

He is a figure for many, it seems, who is credited for all recoveries where mankind is blamed for all illnesses. That allocation of blame and praise is nonsensical to non believers like me, because we work on the basis of science, logic, probabilities and proof.

Saying 'wow just wow' as if I attacked you or minimised anything you've gone through is hurtful to be honest, as I have done no such thing and could not possibly have known what you've been through personally.

@Notthe9oclocknewsathon

I believe in God. I also believe in Science. I find them compatible and lots of scientists do too. There is always mystery to be found in life. I find God in the mystery.

I don't think this is any answer, simply because science covers such a wide field. There is no inherent reason why scientists should be any less susceptible to delusion than anyone else. What would be interesting would be to hear the views of cosmology specialists.

Adam and Eve were real human beings. I'm surprised at the way history can be re-written. As long as we keep denying the events in the bible were not real then how can we believe?

The Adam and Eve story isn't history. There is simply no evidence for it whatsoever; moreover, it is thoroughly contradicted by the evidence we do have for the origins of the human race.

If knowledge of that fact makes you question your beliefs, then they aren't well-founded and you should indeed be questioning them.

Death? War? Destruction?

There is no god!

@PleaseLetIanBeDead

Death? War? Destruction?

There is no god!

Well according to some traditions there is a God of Death (e.g. Greeks’ Hades), God of War (e.g. Roman’s Mars or Greeks’ Athena) and God of Destruction (e.g. Hinduism’s Shiva)